Colbert, Steelers Architect.

Fire him then, and get the NE guy.

We can do a lot worse than KC, and probably better, but at least the debates are mostly fun.

 

We all know that Cowher's players are responsible for our success.

 

These are the kinds of articles that make some of us think the team operates in a little bit of a cloud of arrogance.

No, Colbert didn't come out and say, "I am awesome. The Rooneys are awesome," but reading between the lines, he did kind of imply that. While they have done a good job over all, they are not beyond reproach. I still maintain they would be better off with making common sense decisions instead of trying to be cute and prove how they are smarter than everyone; the Ravens seem to take the obvious picks and it works out for them (CJ Mosley > Shazier.)

 

The Steelers have proven that their way of doing things works.

Ever consider that the decisions the Steelers make are the common sense ones? And the ones that you and some others suggest are the cute and I'm smarter than you ones?

 

I know you are kidding here, but there is actually a lot of truth to the above.

The teams that had those three SB runs roster's included the following Cowher era players (draft and free agent pick ups).

Big Ben
Hines Ward
Bettis (2005)
Parker
Woodley - Tomlin Era
Porter (2005)
Troy Polamalu
Ike
Heath
Holmes
Harrison
Aaron Smith
Hampton
Farrior
Keisel
Jeff Reed

Now, let's look at the talent added in the Tomlin era.

Timmons - solid
Woodley - solid his first 4 years
Spaeth
Sepulveda
Willie Gay
Mendenhall
Sweed
Hills
Bruce Davis
Hood
Urbik
Mike Wallace
Keenan Lewis
Pouncy
Worilds
Sanders
Thadeus Gibson
Antonio Brown
Heyward
Gilbert
Curtis Brown
DeCastro
Adams
Spence
Beachum
Jarvis Jones
Bell
Wheaton
Landy Jones
Shazier
Tuitt
Archer
Bryant
Mike Mitchell
Moats
Lance Moore
Cam Thomas
McCain
Blount

If you look at the two groups, the Cowher era players are far superior. It's really not even close.

 

Tell's a story don't it.........Tomlin sucks

 

I thought this thread was about Colbert? How did we end up in a Cowher vs Tomlin debate?

 

I think they _were smater_ than everyone else but NE. Time will tell if they have _been_ smarter than everyone the last 4 years. We will soon know "how smart they are" and see if they compare to the team built when Cowher was here. Those SB runs were all on Cowher players. I have been underwhelmed with the players that have been added the last 5 years. And if my hunch is correct, we won't see any more rings from the group cobbled together since 2010. The misses have been many. And that is before if we know if Jarvis Jones was a miss, and he very well may be.

 

Lets not be too hasty here now boys there is merit to both sides of the argument. Everytime we get talking about this some one inevitably throws out the 6 SB titles so they must be doing something right line. Yes they have a proven system but the system does have flaws that can be fixed and should not be overlooked. The article says they like to build through the draft and that is true to a certain extent but in the modern age you can't do that all by itself or you run the risk of having gaps in your talent levels. They draft the supporting structure through the draft but they have always made very prudent pick-ups in FA that help to bring things together. Where would Cowher's first few defenses have been without Kevin Greene lining up opposite of Greg Llyod? We saw the disaster that happened when they followed two really great centers in Dawson and Hartings with Sean Mahan and Justin Hartwig. Would we be talking about numbers 5 and 6 with out the Bus and James Farrior? Now that article does say that they have hit more times than they miss but still the margin of error gets slimmer and slimmer as the game evolves so maybe the Steeler Way needs to evolve too? I know in the big spending era that having time to find the right FA to help the team just isn't there but they need to try some new angles if they want to compete and not just say this is they way we do it and will continue to do it, a little change is good now and again.

Oh yeah KC gets an F to the negative 999 xPi for signing Cam Thomas and not cutting his waste of space backside before letting Da'Beard go.

 

Good place to start.

 

Yeah, but they have their share of Mt Codys also. I do think Newsome is a smidge better than Colbert though.

 

Ok, now post how many teams played a 3-4 back then as opposed to now. I think that has been the big difference in that time. Back then we were a better defense, poorer offense, now we are a better offense and poorer defense because of more teams going 3-4. Harder to get the 5-6th round 3-4 DE and outside LBs that start for 10 years now.

 

Exactly

 

The reason I think he is better is because of how fast they go from being a champ, losing lots of cornerstones (Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Rice, Pita, Pollard, Cary Williams, Kruger, Boldin, et al) to being a contender is such a short span. Don't forget: They had the Pats down by 14, TWICE, before falling to the eventual SB champs last season. And they came into OUR house in the play offs, and dominated us - it was never even a game. Yea, we were without Bell, but they were without Rice all season too. Can't just blame the loss on one player missing.

 

Colbert has been a solid GM, I think some of his picks (a few, not all) over say the last 6 years have been questionable. He might be outthinking himself a little.

 

The quality of his 1st round picks is getting shakey.

 

AGAIN

 

Havent seen anything yet out of JJ, Shazier or Shark to classify them as great picks.