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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Jack LHambert, Aug 15, 2015.

  1. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Preseason stats are useless because of the variability of personnel on both sides of the ball. My eyes tell me that LJ still looks like I would expect a rookie 4th rounder to look, even though he's in his 3rd season. Last night Tyrod Taylor and EJ Manuel both looked much more like real NFL qbs than LJ, and one of them will be a 3rd stringer (or cut/traded if they keep 2 qbs). McCoy and Cousins are both light years ahead of LJ, and one of them will be a 3rd stringer (or cut/traded). That's 2 just off the top of my head. If I dug deep it wouldn't surprise me if I could come up with 29 other better 3rd string QBS than LJ. I'm seeing some progress there, but not enough to be comfortable with him ever seeing the field in a real game. I can forgive that in a rookie, but this guy is in his 3rd year. Not good.
     
  2. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I agree to an extent, but I think what's more apparent is the lack of depth the Steelers have compared to many other teams.
     
  3. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    EJ Manuel was also starting for Buffalo for a time. He should look better than Jones, given he was a first rounder.

    Some teams have closer QB competitions than ours, it's fair to say. But in both Buffalo and Washington there will be QB controversies over who is no. 1, 2 and 3. People wanted Cousins to start over Griffin, as I recall, last year. Nobody seems to know who the starter will be in Buffalo.

    The comparison really needs to be with teams that are solid at starter. The 3rd stringers in Denver or Indy, or NE, for example. I'm not saying that Jones will measure up well against them either, but it's probably a better comparison to make.
     
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  4. Lizard72

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    Cousins is technically the back-up, but Jay Gruden has said it's an open competition. Looks like Washington is one of those 3 QB teams though. Is that too much to ask from L Jones? At least make a run at the 2 spot so they can justify having him on the 53 man roster.
     
  5. Diamond

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  6. Supersteeler

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    Which is why he isn't a backup. He's a back-up's, back-up. Take a look around the league...you aren't going to find any world beaters that low on the depth chart. Honestly, what team has a guy with a lot of potential anywhere in the league that sits at #3? The most popular 2015 pre season topic by FAR is Landry Jones for God's sake, which seems nuts! Everywhere you turn it's Landry this and Landry that. It seems like a huge waste of time and energy. Who cares if he is no good? The simple fact is that he is never going to play a meaningful snap with the Steelers in his career trust me. But then neither would any other 3rd stringer from any other team. If Ben and Bruce both go down God forbid, they are going to bring in an aging, out of work vet, not a completely inexperienced guy with limited potential. They are going to want someone who has played in meaningful situations even they are past their prime by a few years. No team in their right mind would rest the season in the hands of a 3rd stringer.

    Aren't there many more important aspects of the team to complain about? I'm not trying to single you out specifically or be a jerk about it my goodness, it just seems like a ton of people this year are constantly harping on this. I have never seen a player who is basically a roster filler take up so much of people's time and energy.
     
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  7. Lizard72

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    You just said it in your own post. If he's never going to play a meaningful snap, then why keep him on the 53?

    The debate is really about the Steelers management and the wisdom in keeping him there instead of another player that they can develop and may actually have a chance to at least dress for special teams.
     
  8. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I would rather have Josh Mauro on the 53 over Landry any day.
     
  9. Bleedsteel

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    Oh Please, for the love of God, don`t bring "toast(ers)", back into this!!!:roflmao:

    Yeah, no matter what, Ben needs to stay healthy...

    Hopefully Gradkowski can suffice as #2, for a couple games, if need be..

    Not sure how hurt he is.
    Would love to have McCoy here, but, that`s not gonna happen, when he is under contract with the Native Americans, and one injury away from starting...

    We were spoiled with Batch, and Leftwich, holding the clipboard, behind Ben...

    Tough to replace that depth...

    GO STEELERS.
     
  10. Lizard72

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    Batch can still play.....
     
  11. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    If he looked stunningly good at 3rd,which is what we all secretly hope for, he would be someones #1.
    Just the way it goes in this league. They're looking at him real close in his third year, which means this is it for him. Make or break. Keep or look for another potential prospect and possibly use a draft pick this next year. This is how the Steelers work, it's no secret and it's worked for them. They want at least three competent QBs at all times.
     
  12. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    we expected to win with our 3rd string guys in the past. why wouldn't you expect to?:cool:
     
  13. Lizard72

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    My point exactly. :cool:
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    oh.:huh::smiley1::cool:
     
  15. Coastal Steeler

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    Just Put him on the bus and give the driver a fist full of $50's and point it west and say GO! DON'T STOP TILL YOU HIT THE OCEAN.
     
  16. PWP

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    I see a lot of nice prospects out there . Why keep a guy that no one believes could ever be a solid #2 . Get another QB use that spot for another player use that spot for a 2 point specialist . Just do something proactive instead of keeping this guy just to be keeping him .
     
  17. Diamond

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    LJones has never dressed for a game since he has been here, so basicly the team only goes with 2 QBs on game day which indicates even if they picked up another QB and cut jones that number 3 would just be in street clothes on the sideline game day like LJ, dont forget teams can only have 48 players activated for a game in regular season, so all this talk about a 3 QB is pretty much meaningless....
     
  18. PWP

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    Meaningless if none of the other 3rd. string QB'S who get cut turn out to be solid BU'S or more . Meaningless if no one steals one of our cuts and they turn out to add value to another Team . Meaningless if another Team doesn't keep a 3rd. QB and uses them to help them convert 2 pointers.

    I predict all 3 above will happen . 1 thing makes it meaningful and all 3 will make it a small disaster .Damn that kid could have helped us. Damn would love to have him as a BU . Damn you see how that Team is converting 2 pointers and winning more games because of it.....Oh well at least we have Landry Jones .......
     
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  19. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    The add on to this is that the idea that he's taking a roster space from someone at another position can be a bit redundant. If he's not dressing, then you're kicking out the 3rd QB in order to have another guy who is also not dressing for the game. Another Lance Moore, etc.

    True, it would be good to have the no.3 pushing the no.2. But - just as a further thought - Gradkowski seems to be getting cut an awful lot of slack in all this, given that he's been mundane to poor whenever he's had to take the field. It will be good to get a sense of how far apart the two are after this weekend.
     
  20. Diamond

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    Ive always said Grad is no great shakes when you think about him leading this team and winning games if BR is out, but the truth is no team dresses 3 QBs for a game, and LJ is such a small cap hit the thinking goes if he improves to a higher level of play in these 5 pre season games they can keep him on the roster in case Ben does go down and they need him for the number 2 behind grad till BR gets back, I agree with you though that gradkowski is not a top backup, and surely we could do better than him if we set our mind to it; and we will get a better look at LJ today with a packer defense pressuring him....
     
  21. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i think lj has shown well this year. he has driven the team down the field on several occasions. he has had some drives and td's stalled by drops and fumbles. more of those than his own messing up, so why are we saying he's not pushing for the #2 spot? i agree about grad too, he's certainly not pushing for the #1 spot and soon we will need someone to do that. i'd almost say as early as next year to start to find someone young to bring towards that point. grad isn't ever going to be that guy. landry at least has been showing much better this year.:cool:
     
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  22. Diamond

    Diamond Well-Known Member

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    Fact is, no one is going to replace Ben unless he gets a career ending injury or he retires....
     
  23. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i'm not saying they will but there is no use waiting until he retires to try to add someone. i'd like a younger guy drafted by next year to start to get with the program before he's actually needed. next year ben will have 4 left. :cool:
     
  24. Diamond

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    When they decide to draft his replacement they need to look higher up in the draft like the first round.......
     
  25. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    PWP that is a fan thing. I am sure the coaches don't sit there and wring their hands about a guy they cut or placed on the PS getting snatched up by another team and havinf small success. I also don't think you are going to see nearly the amount of "gadget play" 3rd string QB's being put in to go for 2. We may see an increase in the 2pt conversion but not specialty packages with a guy dressed specifically for that instance.
     

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