BUST

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-Steelers-is-nearly-over/stories/201611300254

I agree with most of the article but disagree strongly with this statement:

I have seen nothing from him that makes me believe he is anything more than a combine guy who looked good in a T-shirt and shorts but isn't very good at playing football in pads.

Jarvis Jones looked terrible in a t-shirt and shorts! In fact, his pro-day results were pitiful. He was slow in the 40 and weak on the bench. Everyone said at the time that he may not grade well in a t-shirt and shorts but he was a productive football player in the SEC and that's what counts!

Time to call him what he is, a BUST of epic proportions!

 

Another bad pick by KC ...He will go on to have a good career in another system just like Hood is now showing in Washington ....Jones is just not big or strong enough to play the edge in a 3-4...His best skills are speed and open space, taking on a double team and working off of chips certainly is not ...Holding pat and going BPA is costing this Team... They value the LB spot to much and they keep missing ....We need DL and DB'S early and often....Most Teams are in the nickle and the dime most of the time now and we don't even have enough skill at DB in the base defense....

As the NFL continues to evolve then so must we...We must change our focus from LB to DB, if we don't we will be a bottom tier defense from now on...

 

poor guy. my upper body is like his, and I eat donuts and workout lol. He is slow too

 

This here's a tale for all the fellas
Tryin' to do what those Steelers tell us
Get blocked down cause ya over-zealous
Play hard to rush the film tells-us
Okay smarty at a sack party
QBs dropping back and slow n soddy
A tight-end stands by you wish you could stir
But you're standing on the wall like you was Poindexter

Bust-without-a-move

 

He just doesn't fit as a playmaker OLB. He's a good player, but he's not a splash play/sack guy. He was never going to have the bend or be able to change his speed to power on the edge.

All the talk about Chickillo being just a guy and he's at least on par with where JArvis is at this point.

 

I think part of the problem is that Colbert does not know what kind of players he should be going after. I mean what is our strategy on defense anymore? Is there a consensus between the coaches and the front office as to our long term strategy? I don't think so.

 

Exactly..Trying to be a stuff the run 1st. Team and it doesn't work the way it used to...Teams are not running ISO and Trap play after play...Instead they spread you out and run from single RB sets with a check with me pass play built in on every play....What this does is forces the LB'S to be able to cover and it forces DB'S to be able to play more 1 on 1 ....We are not good at either.....

 

I believe we didn't go BPA in 13' but reached for a need. We had Woodley and Worilds starting and Chris Carter B/U. JJ was slow and weak but productive. Maybe they thought they had time to strengthen him up before they lost a starter. LeBeaus scheme required pressure off the edge. There were obvious better BPA options at other positions that didnt quite fit our style.

Cajun

 

According to KC he was the BPA on their draft board I remember hearing that ...I don't agree , but it goes to show that they value the position to much and it effects their vision....

 

I agree KC said that and even believed it to a degree. Case in point. Same draft and position,OLB, we passed on Jamie Collins and took JJ. Same height and weight, equal strength, 19 vs 20 reps but Jamie wasthe quickest/fastest and greater explosion. 4.59 vs 4.88 40---- 7.10 vs 7.46 3-cone..... 11'7" vs 9'3" broad and 41.5 vs 30.5 vert. According to this you draft Jamie but watching film JJ dominated that year with 24 TFL and 14 sacks, fumbles and recoveries and int. Now what?, it shifts back to JJ.

My point is pure BPA and they went positionally. We needed safety help. Troy and Ryan were aging. We passed on Eric Reid and Matt Elam. We drafted Shark in the 4th but that cost us 2 picks since we traded up to get him. We passsd on Tyler Eifert TE and Miller was our only real TE on the back half of his career. Pased on Desmond Trufant CB because we were happy/hopeful in what we had. Kyle Long and Travis Frederick But we had Pouncey and just drafted DD the yr before. Kawann Short but where would he play.? Passed on DeAndre Hopkins and Cordarelle Patterson WR .

Cajun

 

OK, I see we both really think KC is making some bad choices and his BPA really isn't the BPA and he keeps proving that ...

 

i think it was BPA at a position of need. when you draft mid to late round you sometimes have these. he was productive in college for sure as was ziggy. i do think KC hit on dupree and chickillo for where he was drafted. i do agree after the fact ziggy and JJ shouldn't have gone 1st round. solid as rotational guys if you had stars in place already.

 

And I thought this thread had something to do with Lambert's avatar.

 

what is our defensive identity? do we even have one lol. Like I have said before, our defense is super elite, then very awful... all at once in 1 game.

 

even in the same series...sack, tackle for loss of 3, then give up a 40 yard run on 3rd and 19.

 

I think this is an interesting point and something I've wondered about. 7 of the last 10 first round picks have been DL/LB. IIRC people were pretty hot on Hightower and if DeCastro had not dropped to us that year I bet it would have been 8/10. Certainly it was a successful recipe for us in the past and, perhaps with better talent it still would be but I can't help but feel like they are clinging to past success and, as a result, we are now getting raked across the middle of the field because of a suspect secondary.

(e.d. "affects")

 

I was one that thought we had a gem. I guess I was wrong. I can remember him making the statement...if the steelers didn't draft him then they would regret it. I thought that his spinal medical condition would be the reason that made him a risky pick. But he cleared the medical exam, so it just boil down to him not being a good fit for the steelers

 

I still believe the spinal stenosis is limiting him somewhat from a physical standpoint. But that's just speculation on my part.

 

Ok here is a question for those that really get into the draft and who are saying bust now. What did you see on his tape that led you to believe that he was an elite edge rushing lber prospect?

 

Damnit Jack! You're a steelers fan... Not a doctor! Hahaha

 

I think given the missed time with injuries he is still in that spot in learning the defense where he is thinking instead of reacting and knowing the playbook instinctively so that he can just play. that being said I think he is still more Clark Haggans like than Porter/Harrison type.

 

I honestly thought this was gonna be a Jarvis Jones thread just because of the title. LOL! That really kinda says it all.

 

His wrist injury did not help him in 2014.


Either way, Jarvis is more so a disappointment for me. He did flash some in the 2015 AFC Wild Card game; something not many busts can hold their head high on.


In the end, Jarvis is just an example of what the NFL Draft is; a crap shoot. Sometimes you hit a single, double, a home run or even a grand slam and other times you strike once or strikeout. Kevin just striked twice with him and that in itself, while bad, is not horrific.

 

Sorry, I was late getting here...

 

If you look back ... Lloyd, Porter, and Harrison are nearly identical type players. Basically that is the type of player you want. I'm not talking about personality or temperment either.

All three had speed to turn the corner and great at using their hands and leverage when rushing, while at the same time stout against the run.

It was so easy to see even from early on that Jarvis is not that style player.

The fact we are going Nickel more often now, I feel we need more of a larger Michael Strahan speed rusher type than a smaller Greg Lloyd.