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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by LoneGranger, Apr 27, 2019.

  1. LoneGranger

    LoneGranger Well-Known Member

    May 5, 2016
    So which of these seven draft picks will be the 2.5 useful picks that Colbert averages? Starter? Backup? Special teams? Good contributor for at least 3 years?
  2. SteelerGlenn


    Nov 24, 2011
    We had 9 picks. Try again.
  3. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2018
    Bush - Long term starter and pro bowler
    DJ - Will take a couple years but will eventually be a solid starter with pro bowl potential
    Layne- Will be a contributor here
    Snell - a beast that will get carries this year

    In 5 years you will not remember who the rest were until you read through past drafts online.
  4. Smitch89

    Smitch89 Well-Known Member

    Sep 11, 2018
    Bush is the only one that does anything for me.. Sounds like Layne could be good and Snell had a nice college career but other than that its a pretty blah draft to me
  5. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    3.25 then
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  6. leveraged

    leveraged Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    Whatever the success rate is, it's been better than most teams. Pro bowlers don't equate to championships. Look at the Patriots, they win because of their schemes and play calling. Every player is on the same page. It's disgusting to watch lol.
  7. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

    Oct 23, 2011
    Bush (A-) - starter. Hopefully a pro bowler.

    Johnson (B-) - slot receiver and starter by year 2. Future upside.

    Layne (B+) - contributor in year 1. Bit if a boom or bust.

    Snell (B) - will be a contributor in year 1. I don't think he takes Conner's job as the #1 though.

    Gentry (D) - may make the team based solely on position scarcity. Not much long term potential.

    Smith (B+) - can make team on ST. Future upside.

    Buggs (B) - Probable PS, however, could be a spot with him.

    Gilbert (C) - likely PS

    Gray (C) - PS at best

    Overall - (B-)

    I definitely think you will see some contributors.some due to position scarcity.

    I think Bush will be a great player but should we have traded up for it? We will count his pro bowls.

    Johnson could be a major home run. Time will tell. And maybe he was about to be taken. But as is right now, was still a bit of a reach. I hope I am very wrong and he turns into a star.

    Layne was a great value pick at a position of need.

    We needed a RB and the Steelers seem to love him. I like everything he did at Kentucky but his speed does worry me.

    Gentry was a bomb of a pick. Could make the squad this year but not about future. TE will still be a need in 2020.

    I live the Sutton Smith pick. I think he has a NFL future.

    Buggs could replace LT Walton on the team or could go to PS.

    Gilbert has tools to work with. Good athlete. Likely PS.

    Gray is developmental. PS at best.
  8. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    We can speculate but in all honesty who knows? The first four picks should all contribute over time but I don’t know much about the later picks.

    The Steelers draft well considering they are drafting most years somewhere between 20-32. If you compare the records of all teams in the NFL I would imagine that the Steelers would come out very well in terms of players that stick and make the roster long term.
  9. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

    Oct 16, 2011
    Buggs makes 53 man. Johnson makes 53. Lane makes 53. Snell makes 53. Gentry makes 53

    Of course bush
  10. TheTerribleOwl

    TheTerribleOwl Well-Known Member

    Sep 1, 2017
    I could see both Smith and Gilbert having a shot purely based on STs.
  11. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

    Apr 21, 2016
    I will have a thread tomorrow on my final thoughts. Finalizing my grades for each pick currently. I can give the short order though!

    Devin Bush Jr. Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: Starter with impact plays and possible DROY candidate.
    • Ceiling: DROY. Possbile Pro Bowl invite.

    Dionate Johnson Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: 3rd Wideout with Z Receiving potential. Special Teams contributor
    • Ceiling: Interchangeable wideout with game breaking abilities. Special Teams star.

    Justin Layne Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: 4th Corner in the Dime Package. Might become slot corner depending on Mike Hilton's performance.
    • Ceiling: 3rd Corner who mainly plays in slot. Will supplant either Nelson/Haden in case of injury. Solid starter.

    Benny Snell Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: Third down/Goal Line Back. Behind Samuels and Conner. Situational.
    • Ceiling. Primary backup behind Conner in case of injury. Ball Control Running Back who wears defenses down. Rotational to Starter capable.

    Zach Gentry Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: Developmental depth.
    • Ceiling: Supplants Xaiver Grimble by midseason to become a reliable target. Big Red Zone potential.

    Sutton Smith Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: Special Teams ace. Developmental depth.
    • Ceiling: Primary situational option. Supplants Olasunkanmi Adenyi.

    Isaiah Buggs Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: Developmental player with situational upside.
    • Ceiling: Depth based situational player. Alualu backup.

    Ulysses Gilbert III Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: Practice Squad developmental player.
    • Ceiling: Special Teams ace. Supplants Tyler Matakevich. Depth.

    Darwin Gary Rookie Impact:

    • Floor: Practice Squad player.
    • Ceiling: Depth player.

    Good haul of players in my opinion overall. Again, do not want to spoil anything. More to come! :herewego:


    Ulysses Gilbert III's roster spot is now that much closer to being secure. Both Colbert and Tomlin are biting the proverbial bullet with the depth here. If he can beat out Tyler, he is in:

    Last edited: Apr 27, 2019
  12. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2019
    I think your assessment is pretty much spot on. I think the cap guru's will have some work cut out as well. Ben's new contract with all the guarantees brings no relief to the cap this year (from what I understand), and some posted they thought it could bring 4 or million in relief. This brings the importance of even lower paid vets and how their salary affects the Cap. Would not be surprised to see some more vets cut, but then also a couple signed to friendly contracts. I cannot see this team going into this season with only Macdonald (injury prone) and Grimble , and a rookie with 45 total college catches as the 3 TE's. This draft really surprised me, yet to is starting to make more sense. Special teams play has been a headache for how many years? It may well be Danny Smith, or it could be lousy sp teams players. The one thing a lot of the 3rd day guys have in common, speed and great tackling ability. So Sp teams played a large part in who they picked.
  13. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

    Apr 21, 2016

    Excellent point my man! Spot on! :)

    Pittsburgh is now $25.6 Million in the red Salary cap wise for the 2019 Season after the release of Jon Bostic. I have not the foggiest on how they navigate through this one. Not going to be an easy offseason but sure will be an interesting one.
  14. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2019
    Does that include the rookie 'hit' (the money allocated for rookie signings). This is a nite mare really. There is not enough restructuring you can do to get out of that, at least not and expect to have any money in the next 2 years to sign the guys you want.
  15. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

    Apr 21, 2016

    Nono. The Rookie Wage Scale acts as a failsafe of sorts against incidents like these. There are no longer any rookies that obtain bigger contracts in their first four years that supercede many of the current players on their respective rosters; seldom the league at that.

    Dead money accounts for exisiting contracts from players who are either traded or cut but are still on theit contract for their team. This level of Dead Money mainly stems from the Signing Bonus of those players contracts; Antonio Brown's being the highest at ~$22 million. The Rookie payments are allocated by the Rookie Wage Scale. Each Rookie's form of payment is determined by this system.

    So let us take a look at a Projection for Devin Bush Jr. from information given to us by Forbes Staff Member Kurt Badenhausen:


    18.9 million

    Signing Bonus:

    $11.9 million

    What is important here is the signing bonus. That is the money fully guaranteed. That affects the cap. The total amount does not do nearly as much damage.

    There is one final bright spot about our cap situation. Given the fact that A.B. has signed a new contract, any form of remaining money he would have gotten from Pittsburgh is rescinded. Why?! He signed a new one with Oakland; voiding the payments he would have received from Pittsburgh in 2020 to 2022.
  16. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    I doubt Layne will play in the slot, I heard on SNR that he's a outside CB.
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  17. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2019
    I understand most of it. Hopefully a lot of this will clear up after AB's hit this year. Ben's number will be high, but really they had little choice. Even if they would have just let him play it out and tag him the numbers would have been about the same (and very unrealistic and disrespectful). Ahh well, somehow that Steeler accountant works his magic.
  18. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    Some fans like the OP every thread has to be something negative :facepalm:
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  19. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

    Nov 5, 2011
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  20. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Negative or not it's realistic for most NFL teams to have less than half of the picks pan out. A couple years from now you won't remember some of these names.
  21. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    Most draft classes teams are lucky to get 3-4 guys who can contribute, the Steelers 2017 class the first 3 picks made the Pro Bowl last season.
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  22. blackandgoldpatrol

    blackandgoldpatrol Well-Known Member

    Dec 5, 2011
    1. Bush ---- starter and future pro bowl fixture

    2. DJ ----- 1st yr return specialist, future slot man

    3. Lane ----- 1st yr nickle, future starter

    4. Snell ------ short yardage specialist and late quarter punisher

    5. Gentry ----- red zone, jump ball target

    6. Smith ------ special teams ace

    The rest are unemployed in 2 yrs
  23. jeh1856


    Oct 26, 2011
    I decided to put a couple of beers in the bucket of cold water. I’m good.
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  24. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    Ulysses Gilbert might have a shot, his first chance will be special teams. They're looking for that smaller faster ILB, and he fits the bill.
  25. MeanJoeBlue

    MeanJoeBlue Well-Known Member

    Jan 2, 2013
    Where did you get that number?
    The current NFLPA Top51 cap report has the Steelers $3.2M in the black after BB's extension (which increased his cap hit).

    (I tried looking at Spotrac, but their "all players" number for the Steelers is for 95 players, which is a wee bit more than they can take to training camp.)

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