Browns practically giving McCoy away

i stand corrected. thanks 58. i swore they used one of their firsts.

 

yes i read the article. that was my point when i said the jerk they had was way over the top. heley's not known for kid gloves like colt has been used to in HS and college. that was the point i was trying to get across. so charlie is like 100? he's our 3rd string qb. he has shown he can win. he doesn't have alot of wear and tear the last 75 years either. nor does lefty. yea, he's been injured. so has troy, so has colon,so has sanders,so has ben, so has harrison and woodley, so what? we keep them. i'm just asking why? they may only want a 6th or 7th, but i doubt colt wants to play for $ 3.95. he's a first rd. draft pick. a stretch of one, but still. we can't sign our own right now, and backup qb is the biggest concern? we have 4 of them. [/quote:2cs0x5rb]

He was more then a jerk, he's a s**t---- coach. Is it any wonder Colt didn't do any better? The article said it itself, Mangini and that OC were pissed that Colt was forced upon them and proceeded to act like 12 year olds. And Haley is nothing like that idiot, Haley is fiery while the other was just plain abusive.[/quote:2cs0x5rb]


they are also no longer there. why don't they want him as a backup for all the reasons you guys are saying? not to mention for next to nothing as you guys say. seems there's more to it.

 

yes i read the article. that was my point when i said the jerk they had was way over the top. heley's not known for kid gloves like colt has been used to in HS and college. that was the point i was trying to get across. so charlie is like 100? he's our 3rd string qb. he has shown he can win. he doesn't have alot of wear and tear the last 75 years either. nor does lefty. yea, he's been injured. so has troy, so has colon,so has sanders,so has ben, so has harrison and woodley, so what? we keep them. i'm just asking why? they may only want a 6th or 7th, but i doubt colt wants to play for $ 3.95. he's a first rd. draft pick. a stretch of one, but still. we can't sign our own right now, and backup qb is the biggest concern? we have 4 of them. [/quote:nei4dup2]
Huh? And what were the last two years? You're worried about how he'll cope with Haley because he had "kid gloves" in HS and college (like how many other players on the team and in the league, by the way)? You said you read the article, but did you immediately forget it all? He's spent every minute of his NFL career needlessly taking major abuse from coaches, and by all accounts he coped with it extremely well! Haley's gonna be too tough for him? Because... the Browns loosened Colt for him? Haley will not only give him actual coaching for the first time, but will be like kid gloves for McCoy, compared to what he just had. Furthermore, I don't understand the fear of Haley's temper. How many shouting matches has he ever really had with players, that we know about? One or two per year? Less? That will be nothing compared to never-ending "hazing." And even if it was more, even if Haley was just as big of a sh** as this other guy, what evidence is there to suggest that Colt wouldn't be able to deal with it as anyone else? You're worried that Colt will somehow show a fragile psyche based on... what? A hunch?

I think I was pretty generous and accurate with my description of Batch and Leftwich above. I'm not even saying I'd make the trade on McCoy, just that it's worth thinking about and there is reason to consider a younger backup. And while there may be reasons not to like McCoy (his game, if you don't like it), thinking he "can't take it" or "it bothers him to get yelled at" is just ludicrous and seems to point the opposite direction of all evidence.

 

Huh? And what were the last two years? You're worried about how he'll cope with Haley because he had "kid gloves" in HS and college (like how many other players on the team and in the league, by the way)? You said you read the article, but did you immediately forget it all? He's spent every minute of his NFL career needlessly taking major abuse from coaches, and by all accounts he coped with it extremely well! Haley's gonna be too tough for him? Because... the Browns loosened Colt for him? Haley will not only give him actual coaching for the first time, but will be like kid gloves for McCoy, compared to what he just had. Furthermore, I don't understand the fear of Haley's temper. How many shouting matches has he ever really had with players, that we know about? One or two per year? Less? That will be nothing compared to never-ending "hazing." And even if it was more, even if Haley was just as big of a sh** as this other guy, what evidence is there to suggest that Colt wouldn't be able to deal with it as anyone else? You're worried that Colt will somehow show a fragile psyche based on... what? A hunch?

I think I was pretty generous and accurate with my description of Batch and Leftwich above. I'm not even saying I'd make the trade on McCoy, just that it's worth thinking about and there is reason to consider a younger backup. And while there may be reasons not to like McCoy (his game, if you don't like it), thinking he "can't take it" or "it bothers him to get yelled at" is just ludicrous and seems to point the opposite direction of all evidence.[/quote:34e1wpcx]

of course it's a hunch and so is everything you are saying about him , unless you are colt mccoy. you have no facts that it will or won't work for him here if they are even considering him. so you can knock off the holyer then thou crap snack. we don't even know how ben will react to haley, let alone a guy that's still on the browns team. no i don't like his game and don't really care that we pursue him. i've said that from the start. i don't care for him. i feel bad for the kid that he went through that, but he's just going to have to cowboy up if he plans to stay in this league. i still don't know why they would just dump him.

 

Huh? And what were the last two years? You're worried about how he'll cope with Haley because he had "kid gloves" in HS and college (like how many other players on the team and in the league, by the way)? You said you read the article, but did you immediately forget it all? He's spent every minute of his NFL career needlessly taking major abuse from coaches, and by all accounts he coped with it extremely well! Haley's gonna be too tough for him? Because... the Browns loosened Colt for him? Haley will not only give him actual coaching for the first time, but will be like kid gloves for McCoy, compared to what he just had. Furthermore, I don't understand the fear of Haley's temper. How many shouting matches has he ever really had with players, that we know about? One or two per year? Less? That will be nothing compared to never-ending "hazing." And even if it was more, even if Haley was just as big of a sh** as this other guy, what evidence is there to suggest that Colt wouldn't be able to deal with it as anyone else? You're worried that Colt will somehow show a fragile psyche based on... what? A hunch?

I think I was pretty generous and accurate with my description of Batch and Leftwich above. I'm not even saying I'd make the trade on McCoy, just that it's worth thinking about and there is reason to consider a younger backup. And while there may be reasons not to like McCoy (his game, if you don't like it), thinking he "can't take it" or "it bothers him to get yelled at" is just ludicrous and seems to point the opposite direction of all evidence.[/quote:269vzkjd]

of course it's a hunch and so is everything you are saying about him , unless you are colt mccoy. you have no facts that it will or won't work for him here if they are even considering him. so you can knock off the holyer then thou crap snack. we don't even know how ben will react to haley, let alone a guy that's still on the browns team. no i don't like his game and don't really care that we pursue him. i've said that from the start. i don't care for him. i feel bad for the kid that he went through that, but he's just going to have to cowboy up if he plans to stay in this league. i still don't know why they would just dump him. [/quote:269vzkjd]
First of all, I am holier* than thou.

I don't know how he'd do here as a quarterback. I didn't predict he'd work out well here. I think he's got some real talent and potential, and it's hard to tell a whole lot from watching him QB the Browns. That's pretty much all I think of him. You're right, he could fall to his knees crying if the vending machines in Pittsburgh don't have Twix. I can't guarantee that he won't. I'm just amazed that we came away with complete opposite feelings about his mental toughness from the same article. You say that he doesn't like getting yelled at, you're worried about how he'll do without kid gloves, and that he needs to cowboy up. I say no one likes getting yelled at, and he just spent two years proving he doesn't need kid gloves because he just took far more abuse than anyone should take and didn't break, and so he already has cowboyed up. I guess mine is a hunch too, but it's based on history instead of anti-history.

 

of course it's a hunch and so is everything you are saying about him , unless you are colt mccoy. you have no facts that it will or won't work for him here if they are even considering him. so you can knock off the holyer then thou crap snack. we don't even know how ben will react to haley, let alone a guy that's still on the browns team. no i don't like his game and don't really care that we pursue him. i've said that from the start. i don't care for him. i feel bad for the kid that he went through that, but he's just going to have to cowboy up if he plans to stay in this league. i still don't know why they would just dump him. [/quote:1avq3okc]
First of all, I am holier* than thou.

I don't know how he'd do here as a quarterback. I didn't predict he'd work out well here. I think he's got some real talent and potential, and it's hard to tell a whole lot from watching him QB the Browns. That's pretty much all I think of him. You're right, he could fall to his knees crying if the vending machines in Pittsburgh don't have Twix. I can't guarantee that he won't. I'm just amazed that we came away with complete opposite feelings about his mental toughness from the same article. You say that he doesn't like getting yelled at, you're worried about how he'll do without kid gloves, and that he needs to cowboy up. I say no one likes getting yelled at, and he just spent two years proving he doesn't need kid gloves because he just took far more abuse than anyone should take and didn't break, and so he already has cowboyed up. I guess mine is a hunch too, but it's based on history instead of anti-history.[/quote:1avq3okc]

you gloss over my words " if" and "might". i have no idea how colt feels, nor do i care. i really want to know why they are dumping a 3rd round pick for next to nothing? the coaches he had are gone now as they should be. why wouldn't the franchise want to keep a guy with so much to give? it just doesn't make sense to me. there is something besides what we see. how can a guy go from starter to traded for a 7th rd. pick if he's that good?

 

of course it's a hunch and so is everything you are saying about him , unless you are colt mccoy. you have no facts that it will or won't work for him here if they are even considering him. so you can knock off the holyer then thou crap snack. we don't even know how ben will react to haley, let alone a guy that's still on the browns team. no i don't like his game and don't really care that we pursue him. i've said that from the start. i don't care for him. i feel bad for the kid that he went through that, but he's just going to have to cowboy up if he plans to stay in this league. i still don't know why they would just dump him. [/quote:3d0txqvh]
First of all, I am holier* than thou.

I don't know how he'd do here as a quarterback. I didn't predict he'd work out well here. I think he's got some real talent and potential, and it's hard to tell a whole lot from watching him QB the Browns. That's pretty much all I think of him. You're right, he could fall to his knees crying if the vending machines in Pittsburgh don't have Twix. I can't guarantee that he won't. I'm just amazed that we came away with complete opposite feelings about his mental toughness from the same article. You say that he doesn't like getting yelled at, you're worried about how he'll do without kid gloves, and that he needs to cowboy up. I say no one likes getting yelled at, and he just spent two years proving he doesn't need kid gloves because he just took far more abuse than anyone should take and didn't break, and so he already has cowboyed up. I guess mine is a hunch too, but it's based on history instead of anti-history.[/quote:3d0txqvh]

you gloss over my words " if" and "might". i have no idea how colt feels, nor do i care. i really want to know why they are dumping a 3rd round pick for next to nothing? the coaches he had are gone now as they should be. why wouldn't the franchise want to keep a guy with so much to give? it just doesn't make sense to me. there is something besides what we see. how can a guy go from starter to traded for a 7th rd. pick if he's that good? [/quote:3d0txqvh]


Look, nobody is calling him Marino, but the potential is there. In a different offense with different (better) weapons he could develop to a strong backup for Ben. And we desperately need one. Behind him we have Batch capable but super old, and Leftwich who I would call an average back up. That's not good enough for me. If the question is would I bring in a guy who could (easily) be our best backup for a late pick then you can bet your favorite jeans, I would

 

Looks like Colt got in a cheap shot to James' nether region. Was he fined for that? Suspended? Oh, I suppose he got a free pass just because he was "unconscious" at the time. Typical.

 

Originally, I was on the side of the Browns. I didn't think it was so bad that they put him back in the game after his concussion. But somehow, McCoy's dad won me over with a great argument. He is a very persuasive guy. Here's a picture from the article:

 

Whatever. I don't even care about anything that happened before 1995. Even when his biological dad comes back, like in the middle of the night, I don't listen to him.

In related news, I'm really glad we dropped Mike Logan. I always thought he was totally overrated. Why he was so beloved I'll never know, but we've been much better off (at the safety position) since he left.*


















*I actually liked Logan the football player. I thought he was a good backup, and he was such a nuisance for us when he was still on Jacksonville. I was happy to have him. But I freaking hate Chris Noth on that show. SOOOO bad!

 

Lenny's the absolute best, in my book. Followed by Greene, Lupo, Rey "I got three little girls" Curtis, Bernard, The Chick, Fontana, all the guys I've never seen because those episodes are too old, and finally, Mike Logan.

I've actually only seen 1 episode with Stone, and it was alright. But I'm a big McCoy fan. I don't always agree with him, but I think he's pretty badass as far as prosecutors go. I was reading Wikipedia, and it said they when they hired him they thought he'd bring in more sex appeal.

As far as the lady ADAs go, I guess I have to go with a 4 way tie between Abby Carmichael, Claire Kincaid, Alex Borgia, and Connie Rubirosa. Coming in 5th is Jamie "Let's just let him go" Ross, and coming in a distant 6th is Serena "Where's the teleprompter?" Southerlyn.

 

I wouldnt have a problem with trading a late pick for McCoy, he is a quick learner and with Haley should be a pretty good back up in the mold of a Mike Tomczak, Tomczak was a decent backup for the steelers for 6 years....

 

They are getting rid of of him because they lied to him...and he is no longer happy.

"You are our guy Colt....we don't even want to get another QB"

"We offered the farm for RG3 the Skins simply outbid us"

"We never really wanted RG3 Colt....we just didn't want the fans to think we are sitting here doing nothing"

"We don't want any QB in the draft Colt...you are the man"

"Uh Colt, we drafted a 30 year old QB in the first round...and he is going to be our starter"


Colt is unhappy...and the longer he is around the team...the more a cancer he will become...and the more his friends on the team will talk "if they lied to Colt...why should I think they won't lie to me?".....and worst of all...what happens if Colt out performs Weeden in camp....you just wasted a first round pick...the fans will be in an uproar...when they could have had Decastro (they already are)

The FO tied their wagon to Weeden...they have to get him on the field.

HACK

 

Not to mention they played yahtzee with his life on the line in a completely meaningless game. I wouldn't call him a "cancer" though. I like to save that nugget for people who bring it on themselves, like Moss and T.O. Colt would be a distraction, but through no fault of his own.

I still can't believe how many teams passed on DeCastro. Some of them make sense, others I simply can't believe.

 

http://blogs.clevelandbrowns.com/2012/0 ... ncumbency/

this was on the front page of their site. not sure if it helps. i'm looking for another one i had read, that talks about colt's dad being ok with his return to the browns and everything had been smoothed over i guess is the word.

i also read dallas, and philly have thought about it but are going to pass on him. greenbay said they had no intrest either. some were talking about NO, but that could have been to help along negotiations with brees or for an in case scenario,i'd say.