Brady's suspension will be overturned

I'm pretty sure once the Refs inspect them you can't adjust them.

 

So if it's at a level the qb doesn't like then it is just tough luck? So are they supposed to take it to the ref with the preferable pressure and then if it falls within the regulations it is fine? It's not like the league inflates them right? I think it is the team's responsibility to if I'm not mistaken.

 

Your just gona have to face the fact's your boy Tom cheated,...LOL

 

Brady and Manning lobbied to have teams prepare their own footballs so each team prepares them and then submits them to the refs to be checked to see if they fall inside the established guidelines. In the past before the rule change the league and the refs provided the footballs. Now it seems that there is some traction to stories that Brady was switching out brand new footballs for broken in(and probably slightly deflated) ones before the rule change since at least one source said he saw it happening but didn't get much of a response when he told his coaches. The new rule however seems to have backfired on Brady since his preferred football profile seems to fall outside out specs and as such would either mean the ball wouldn't be allowed or it would be inflated to with in the guidelines. The big thing here is that had Tom Shady just gone through legal channels its possible that the league might have eased the guidelines, or at the very least had they only done a ball or two it would have been swept under the rug so to speak. By doing things the way they have and instead of turning it into a non story by coping to it and letting it die, they have made it into a bigger issue which is are they doing it to gain a competitive edge? if so for how long and does this fall under the shadow of previous cheating thus making it worse for the Pats.

No matter what that pile of horse excrement they are trying to sell as a counter argument to the Wells Report is a joke. At this point I have to think the legal team for the Patriots has to be telling Kraft, Brady, his agent and any one else to shut up, pay the fine, take your lumps and let it die. Every time they try to go on the offensive on this, it ends badly for them.

 

I agree that it looks that way for sure. I still think he's awesome and really didn't need to do it is the whole thing that is so stupid about it. I don't think it gave some incredible edge like roids in baseball but if it's against the rules it's against the rules and it's like Reagan said "you do not choose which laws you will obey".

 

See thats where i disagree, His passes in the SB didnt look to sharp to me, seems like they, flutterd a lil.

 

LOL.

 

I don't understand how anybody can say this with a straight face...

Brady was one of the leading champions for a rule change back in 06 which essentially took the football out of the league's hands and allowed the team to make their own adjustments.

It's been mentioned that deflating the football like the cheats did makes it easier to catch and hold onto, but harder to throw. Brady hasn't exactly been known for his deep plays, the offense revolves around the quick hit short routes... situations where the deflated ball can be overcome from a throwing perspective.

Combine that with the analysis that was done showing the fumble rate pre and post rule change. ALL non-dome teams maintained nearly identical fumble rates, except the team recently punished for cheating. The Wells report makes it pretty clear that this likely didn't happen during just one game, but for at least the duration of this past season.


Outside of points scored, what's one of the biggest indicators for teams winning? Oh that's right, turnovers. You can't tell me this deflate gate hasn't had an impact on their performance. If this deflategate/turnover thing accounts for MAYBE 1 or 2 more victories per season, that's the difference between playoff seeds and home field advantage. I think the cheats winning percentage at home speaks enough for the importance of home field advantage to them.

Would they still be a successful team without the most recent cheating? I think they would be. Would they be the juggernaut that they've been for the last ten years? I doubt it... many people are whining about how bad the punishment was for shady brady. Anything short of stripping the most recent title and banning him for the HOF is a mockery to the integrity of the game.

 

I was just looking at it from only his perspective. I didn't think they could get the ball deflated to such a level that it would be actually noticeable when you touch it because what I don't understand is that if the balls were extremely under inflated then how wouldn't the refs notice it when they were touching the ball? I don't know a lot about this case and I don't even know when the league was first alerted about this. I thought I heard the rats alerted the colts and then they told the refs. Is that the order of events or have other teams complained on deaf ears? I've really wondered if the rats had won that playoff game if they would have ever said anything. I initially figured it was just crying on their part but apparently they had a legitimate point.

 

Completely agree and I have to add that Belicheat was more likely than not completely aware of what was going on.

 

Nah I was on vacation and then got home and had to study for my CDL test. So I honestly don't really know much about it. I do think Brady knew what he was doing though and I think Bill basically did and that's why he said "ask Brady" or whatever. I always figure when people start passing the buck and not vehemently defending their guy that there is some fishy stuff going on. Brady aint above criticism to me even though I do openly express a man crush. LOL.

 

My guess, which is easy to make, is that Brady will still wind up suspended at least 2 games after Goodell hears the appeal. I also suspect Brady will still sue, or whatever the correct legal word is. To that extent, does anyone have an idea how quickly that could happen? It seems court dates tend to be pretty far out. Would the actual court date wind up being after the suspension is over?

 

I think something to remember with your stats above is how many offensive snaps the cheats have had. I didn't fact check this, but the way their offense is set up, don't they traditionally lead the league in snaps? If that's the case, and they still were leading or near the top of the league in least fumbles, than to me that's even more evidence of an actual impact on the outcome of the game.

I know stats can be misleading and misrepresented and I don't mean to get in a stat war, but I think there is enough evidence to say that the organization as a whole has been operating outside the rules to a level that has impacted the outcome of games if in nothing more than playoff seeding.

The cheats have been CAUGHT multiple times yet they're still lauded by the talking heads as geniuses and legendary teams. I'm sorry, but that's BS.

Agree with the ball handling, but at the end of the day neither team should touch the balls at all unless it's on the playing field. Same balls, same pressure, PERIOD.

Couldn't agree more. It's insane to me that after being repeat offenders belicheat wasn't touched when the saints were gutted over a first time offense that the coach also wasn't aware of.

 

Ranking is not a useful stat.

Let me give an example. The Saints had the #1 ranking for offensive yards per game for 2014. But it was only 0.3 yards more than the Steelers, and less than 4% better than the #5 team on the list. These are professional teams, so it is tough to get more than a slight edge on their opponents.

In the chart harristotie copied over, the Patriots averaged 74 touches/fumble over 8 years. This isn't 1 year of good luck throwing off the stats. There are 22 teams that are separated from #2 to #23 by 20 touches/fumble, and the Patriots are almost that much better than the #2 team.

The problem isn't that the Patriots are #1 for non-dome teams.
(Someone has to be.)
It is the margin of that difference, which is well outside the distribution.