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Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by steel1031, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    I was watching a local sports channel and they had a small panel discussing the draft. they were talking about the 3 biggest bust potential players in the draft.
    mike evans
    johnny manziel
    taylor lewan

    it caught my attention because we are looking at 2 of them. some reasons on evans were attitude, discipline, and cant run nfl routes. they said lewan really struggles against speed and of course his off the field issues were discussed.

    they also talked about 3 players who could be steals in round 1. players they said would come in an immediately make a team better. we are looking at all three I think

    odell beckham jr they said he runs ROUTES faster than any other wr in draft and would end up being the best wr in class
    Jason verritt
    stephon tuitt

    just wanted to see if any of the last 3 would piss anyone of at 15. tuitt would I know but I think if we want beckham or verritt we would have to take them there
     
  2. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I would consider Beckham at #15 hell no to Tuitt or Verrett though.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I agree about Manziel, can't believe he is graded as a first round talent, shouldnt be any earlier then 3rd round. Can see him definitely being a bust. I wouldn't go as far to call Evans a bust, but I really have my doubts about him ever being a top flight receiver. If we take him, I'll have to hope he turns out like Boldin, another poor route runner who found success in the league.
     
  4. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but don't you think anyone looking at Manziel in the first round are looking beyond just his QB abilities and are looking at a marketing angle as well as trying to energize a fan base to put butts in the stands. It is a totally wrong way to approach your draft strategy but there really isn't any reason for draft him in the first beyond that. As big a mess as the Browns are I can't fathom why they would look to make him the face of their rebuild after they just had a face of their rebuild in Wheedon.
     
  5. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I personally think Teddy Bridgewater has bust potential. His mechanics are somewhat unorthodox and he doesn't have ideal size. Not sure how his game will translate to the NFL.
     
  6. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Beckham would not bother me at #15
    Tuitt - no at #15, heck yes at #46
    same with Verrett.
     
  7. Busman

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    I see Johnny Football as the next Tim Tebow. Would most definitely take Beckham. He is going to be something else.

    Bman
     
  8. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    well I would hate to see verrett at 15 unless for some reason gilbert and dennard are gone. I feel he is the 3rd or maybe 2nd best cb in draft. I have heard about if gilbert is gone some teams might want to get ahead of us to take dennard. if that's the case and we like him. we would have to take him right?
     
  9. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I just don't see Mike Evans being a bust. Too much desire. Kelvin Benjamin on the other hand...

    I've said it before and will continue to say it, Johnny Manziel will be a bust. He will not get away with his circus act in the NFL, and I don't think his personality can handle failure and all the negative media attention that will be coming his way.

    Lewan's tape is not really that impressive. He performed much better at the Combine than I thought. I would be leery about taking him in the top half of the 1st round. He looks very slow on the feel.

    I'm not a big believer in Beckham. I would not want him at #15. There's no way he is better than Marqise Lee who will definitely still be kicking around.

    Tuitt only at #46.

    If we took Verrett at #15, I wouldn't be devastated, but its just an incredible leap of faith by our scouts. To me he is a late 1st/early 2nd type of guy. Depending on what we did in the 1st, he would be worth a look at #46, if by chance he was still on the board.
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Would be a terrible mistake if anyone is taking him based on that, winning energizes a fan base, as the loses pile up with Manziel, the allure will wear off and you are back to square one.
     
  11. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I disagree I'm a USC fan and have seen every game of Lee he drops a lot of easy passes, and he ran slower than what was expected of him at the combine. Beckham is faster and he makes those difficult catches regularly.
     
  12. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't put it past Cleveland to go after evans and manzel. they have two first round picks. again.:cool:
     
  13. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Bridgewater, I have not seen alot of this
    kid, But depending on his pro day as any
    indication, The accuracy is just not there.
     
  14. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

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    The black font is quoting SteelCity_NB, the red is me. Idk what happened to my quote option in the reply? lol

    I just don't see Mike Evans being a bust. Too much desire. Kelvin Benjamin on the other hand... Idk. I think both guys will have a hard time living up to their hype. I don't see in Evans what everyone else seems to I guess. It wouldn't completely shock me if he failed in the NFL.

    I've said it before and will continue to say it, Johnny Manziel will be a bust. He will not get away with his circus act in the NFL, and I don't think his personality can handle failure and all the negative media attention that will be coming his way. IMO Manziel is the ultimate risk. Guys with his type of personality just seem to succeed. I guess it wouldn't shock me if he was a bust, but I really think he is the only QB coming out this year that has a legitimate chance to be a big time player (top 10 in the NFL) at any point in their career.

    Lewan's tape is not really that impressive. He performed much better at the Combine than I thought. I would be leery about taking him in the top half of the 1st round. He looks very slow on the feel. I would be beyond pissed off if we took Lewan, I think he has bust written all over him. Bad tape and a good combine isn't the recipe I want in my first round pick, and he is a world class D-Bag to boot. He wouldn't even exist on my big board if I were the Steelers.

    I'm not a big believer in Beckham. I would not want him at #15. There's no way he is better than Marqise Lee who will definitely still be kicking around. I like OBJ better than you do, but you are completely right about Lee. IMO he is easily the second best WR prospect in the draft, and is one of the most NFL ready players (regardless of position) in the draft too. Honestly if he wasn't hurt last year, we would have a shot at Watkins because Lee would be the top WR in the class. Willing blocker, great routes, good speed (he's faster than his combine time). I would be incredibly happy to see Lee in the Black and Gold.

    Tuitt only at #46. Yep.

    If we took Verrett at #15, I wouldn't be devastated, but its just an incredible leap of faith by our scouts. To me he is a late 1st/early 2nd type of guy. Depending on what we did in the 1st, he would be worth a look at #46, if by chance he was still on the board. Just say no to Verrett at 15, he's a possibility if we trade back though. I guess I'm just not really that high on the kid. We already have a good nickel corner in Gay... we need someone to be the #2 and I think there are better options than Verrett to fill that role (Gilbert, Dennard, Roby, Fuller).
     
  15. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I watched him play against UCONN in person, and his accuracy was excellent. He made one bad decision throwing into coverage, but was otherwise solid that night. I'm not a huge fan because I don't see a ton of upside to his game, but he has a chance to be a solid NFL QB (but probably not a franchise QB IMO).
     
  16. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    No better than Geno Smith IMO. I would not peg him as a franchise QB that's for sure.
     
  17. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I always like to get opinions of the fan base of players. My knowledge of Lee probably extends from 3-4 games per year and what video I can find of Lee online. There was a time when I got nearly every USC game, but since their decline I only get a handful of games per year.

    Now in saying that, are you being objective, and just not projecting negativity on a star player from a program that you love that has underachieved lately? Trust me, I have been guilty of it in the past.

    I see Lee as a Reggie Wayne type of guy. I don't think he will ever be an elite WR (due to size restrictions) but that he can be a very productive guy.
     

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