Big Ben??

Nope, in a prison setting, not an office at all. Not that it matters, the science behind adult learning is solid and applies to all adults

 

This all started way early in the year...Whatever game it was...When we got stoned 4 times for the 1...Ben stated " I should have thrown the ball 4 times to JuJu "..That's when him an AB were chirping back and forth...

THAT was the 1st shot fired...Basically a **** you to AB, Who was whining he wasn't getting the ball enough...

AB should be more mentally tough...But Ben knew exactly what he was doing

 

Ben needs to smarten up. AB can find another team to play on as far as I'm concerned. AB quit on the team, Ben hasn't done that although he needs to cut out the bull****

 

All I can say is heaven help us if Ben is still our starting QB three years from now! I'll even wager that by the end of next year you'll be crying for him to retire.

 

They don't run with a title with them as they do with Ben. They make a mountain of a molehill, taking a statement out of context to sell their view of it.

And people buy it.

It works good for TV ratings. Brady is the NFL's poster child. Gets off easy for deflagate.

 

Yep

and I'm good with that.

 

Ben is part of the problem. He is another crybaby, entitled drama queen. Who really cares what he thinks.

 

People should remember that Cowher was the one who gave him that title. He wasn't wrong then and he's not wrong now. Doesn't take away how great he has been between the lines. I'm not too proud to admit it like some other people with their own bias against certain players. Great between the lines even with his mistakes. Could clearly be a better teammate off the field.

Agree to disagree

 

Watching DeShon Watson play. So glad we have Ben.

 

Agree to disagree and Bud Dupree sucks...fact

 

I don't disagree with you at all. I agree with your assessment and am thankful for all Ben has brought as a quarterback. My point was that you were saying about what Ben thinks, etc and I was simply saying it doesn't matter because he isn't guiltless in this sh!tshow culture and has to carry some blame.

 

No problem. The whole basis of this entire argument is centered around how I feel real leaders shouldn't be saying **** in the media about his teammates. I don't care how much you spin it to try and prove that what he did worked. There are other factors involved that are simply getting ignored to try and prove what Ben did was right.
It boils down to two points of view some don't mind what he did and others do. I'm one of the others. This isn't the first time Ben has done such a thing. He has thrown his own coaches under the bus as well on plenty of occasions. I guess that's ok too. I get accused of bias when I've stated a million times that I like Ben as a player. As a leader not so much. But that fact gets ignored as well and I'm accused of a bias against Ben. It's the same with Dupree. It's not bias he just isn't that good of a football player. Plain and simple. Sorry if that's what I see and some don't agree. There are plenty that agree on both. I just don't appreciate people who think there can't be two different opinions on Ben and the way he throws players and coaches under the bus. JW was a confidence issue or so I'm told. You don't fix confidence by blabbing to the media. I've never seen a person that lacks confidence improve by criticizing them in public.Real leaders lead by example. It's not a bias, it's a opinion.
Like I said before it was a highly publicized topic. So there are people in both camps. They even went to JW to get his reaction. If it was no big deal and Ben wasn't known for having that bad habit it would of been a non issue. I'm not the only one making it such. Where there's smoke there's fire.

 

Read this Ben isn’t going anywhere and it touches on the AB situation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...ructure-ben-roethlisbergers-contract.amp.html

 

Not. The Denver and Oakland fiascos were results of A) Boneheaded HC blunders and B) Boneheaded fumbles by our RB1 and TE3. Period.

Not going to argue the lack of balance overall this season, though. That is truth.

 

Fair point on Oakland. Regarding Denver though, he threw two costly picks. That is two picks too many. The far more frustrating aspect was that the rushing attack was still efficient throughtout that game.

 

I can almost absolve him of the final pick, that was only because Grimble and Connor put us in the hole. Had those (or even 1) fumbles not happened (which were totally their fault) we would have been tied, or most likely winning at that point in the game. Despite the recklessness of our RB1 & TE3, Ben still was able to march the team down the field in the closing seconds of the game. He can't be perfect all the time.

 

You might be able to. I cannot. Those fumbles are not within his control. That much is true. Those two picks however, are.


It is as you said. Balance, or lack thereof, were one of many reasons as to why the Steelers season came to an end. The more times one passes the ball, the more likely it is going to be picked off.

 

Yes but if AB would of run his route a little flatter he wouldn't have been intercepted by a NT and if he was allowed to go to JUJU 4 times like he wanted they would of scored....but like he says he's a gunslinger ,he's not worried about picks and he's always gonna be a guy who takes chances. Such is life...( sarcasm off )

The INTs are one thing but I think the fumbles might be even worse as far as TOs go. The most disturbing thing is when he is sometimes tied up and he tries to hand it to one of his guys. He just needs to go the hell down sometimes. His situational awareness is terrible he takes unnecessary chances on early downs for no reason. He is what he is its too late to teach a old dog new tricks. You just have to hope the good outweighs the bad.

 

AB heard you, his reaction be all like:

 

Oh you missed the sarcasm off button read it again

 

I'm good with trading ab in the off season and making next year bens last. Time to move on.. Who cares if we suck.. I'd rather suck with team first players then underachieve with these idiots every year