Big Ben pocket passer

I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but Collinsworth mentioned something last night how Big Ben hasn't been the QB who used to create more time by running out of the pocket and avoiding defenders.
Has Ben become a purely pocket passer? has that been the problem this season? Is he too old and slow to be his old self? But what Collinsworth said seems very true. I haven't seen the old Ben running around defenders to buy more time. He just seem to stay in the pocket. Or maybe our OL is so good that defenders can't get to him? His sacks are down from those old days.

 

I think it's a combination of his physical skills deteriorating and the line being significantly better.

 

Eventually all horse get put out to pasture... He ain't don't yet. If he embraces some of the set backs and plans it it out to address that he could be pretty good for a couple more runs IMO.

 

You may be forgetting:

1. They want him to run around far less to avoid injuries.
2. He used to HAVE to run around, for his life. A lot of those OL were pretty terrible.

 

He's been sacked 10 times in 8 games.

He was sacked only 17 times last season. He did only play in 14 games last season..

I say he's on par with last year. Line is doing a good job of protection no doubt.

 

Ben is at his best playing 'playground football' but that sort of game can be akin to jogging through a minefield, especially at his age.

 

The 2 throws that made me the maddest last night were the one he missed to James...1 play before the 97 yarder , and the one he tried to throw through the Lion D lineman. He gets a little lazy with his feet sometimes. He's surely mobile enough to slide to find a throwing lane I hope.

 

His body has broken down, affecting his mechanics. OL must protect at all times.

Ben is unable to avoid a pass rush.

 

It's a lot to do with Haley too, they brought him over to protect Ben. He turned Ben into a pocket passer. If this is Ben's final season he should go all out and go back to backyard football. It used to give team fits they used to design their D just to keep Ben in the pocket. But if his knees are hurting then they have no choice.

 

Have you not seen Ben move? He's not very athletic anymore. He can't play that style at this point in his career. He needs to stand in the pocket and throw darts, it's his only choice. Every time he moves he looks like he's 50, not 35

 

Chris Collinsworthless hates the STEELERS and it really showed when he first became an announcer.
I think that age has caught up to Ben and it is like a learning process for him.

 

Another thing I think has changed is he no longer seems to pump fake. He was a master at this, and I think contributed to the success of his long bomb - it froze some defenders. I haven't seen him do this recently, and the ball seems to slip from his hand occasionally. He threw a couple balls into the ground last week and others sail high. I wonder if he has lost some hand strength or it is injured. He has whacked it a lot on helmets. Just speculation, but there are symptoms.

 

Good point, I hadn’t noticed that but I think you’re right there’s been less pump faking.

Having said that, he could pump fake way too much in the past...

 

Ben is 2015 Peyton without the presnap awareness or forehead lol

 

I'll still take Ben over any other QB right now. He's more than earned his right to be here and I guarantee you that at least 20 other teams would snap him up in a heartbeat right now.

I'm not wearing black and gold colored glasses I'm being a realist. I've seen the under and over thrown passes. I've seen the misreads and I've seen him trying to force the ball to a well covered AB when other WRs or the check down is open.

I've seen all of that and I still know that a diminished Ben is still better than most other QBs in the NFL.

 

sorry had to see what that would look like

 

Son?

 

on this team or the league? ,, if it' the league just say no to drugs there's at least 5 QB's that I would rather have than this leftover. Russell Wilson being at the top

 

Interesting read on Ben.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...terback-ben-roethlisberger-hiding-plain-sight

 

On this team of course. And if you're serious about Ben being a "leftover" then you're the one that needs to put the pipe down bud.

 

In the early years, his passer rating was much better when he was under duress. Unfortunately, I haven't seen that side of Ben in a while.

 

yeah cus Ben's throws are still crisp, ( within 10 yards) he can still run around to buy time for the receivers, and avoid getting sacked. My Bad!

 

I think part of the problem was Haley requires Ben to think. I have not seen that to be his strong point. That is where he lacks Brady, et al.

 

exactly.. Ben is like Trump,, he reacts before he thinks. You see it on his face all the time, saying to himself. " Why do I keep throwing the dumb balls, Brown had 4 guys covering him, when I had Bell , James, Rogers, or Ju Ju wide open , all I have to do is take a quick peek around?!"