Big Ben has ruined the Steelers

No, just common sense.

 

I found several when it came to Ben. Like is aid bums like Issac Redman even criticized his leadership. So if hall of famers, crazy people, bums, etc.. people from all backgrounds and mental capacities all criticizes you for the same thing what does that tell you?

 

Just what bias fans will tell you. Thats why everyone here rides with Ben no matter what several former teammates say. Just like me arguing with browns fans on reddit yesterday that deshaun is far better than baker and to them its laughable that they would even give that trade a thought. Or trying to tell a ravens fan lamar isn't better than deshaun. Fans have their biases.

 

So when two people with different mental capacities echo the same sentiments, it's only credible from what you deem the more mentally stable person yet they both are saying the same thing?

 

There are non steeler fans who blame Ben for AB's exit because Ben is a terrible leader and didn't make his business to keep AB happy like Tom brady did and has done. Thats what leaders do at a position that does require leadership. Steeler fans with blinders on won't acknowledge how terrible a leader Ben is.They continue to make excuses. And I brought those situations up because it shows how fans of teams have no objectivity to their teams.

 

So again I said find me players who said brady, manning, brees, etc.. were bad leaders. Find me former players who publicly ridiculed them to the media for being terrible leaders. And its also not just because what others said its what Ben did. Show me them pointing the finger at their receivers for why the threw ints or publicly throwing their coaches under the bus.

And what does cheating on your wife ehave to do with being a leader of a franchise at the most important position in sports? Lol what? If you want to go thst route Ben has a far worse off the field track record than brady has but that has nothing to do with this. And again deflate gate has to do with what? And it's great that he's willing to go to whatever length to win id rather ravens that type of guy leading my team than Ben.

And you don't make sense. So tom wanting ab doesn't mean anything because others didn't want AB but yet you said because some people called Ben a good leader that means the opinion on Ben being a bad leader is valid. You cant have it both ways.

 

Apparently someone never watched Manning. After some playoff losses he pointed at everyone. Hell him , and I believe it was his center got into it big time.

 

Or clapping with one hand.

 

Brady has reamed his teammates out on the sidelines countless times. Not to mention his wife has thrown shade at his WR's before.

 

Links? This all i could find when I looked it up
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...by-saying-peyton-is-a-better-leader-than-ben/

 

He's went off on them the sidelines but he's never publicly pointed the finger and said oh I threw that interception because so and so ran the wrong route. When the media asked brady he would take the blame. Not point fingers. Or that wasn't my decision in that situation i would've did x,y, and z. Ben is in the same boat with Aaron rodgers it's just Aaron is more talented so he's had a more praised career.

 

One or numerous. Again that doesn't matter. According to you if someone doesn't universally recognize something then it isn't the case. Also AB was on suspension. We dont know who when he got off was going to sign him he strictly said he only wanted to play with brady. It's very possible someone else could've picked him up as multiple teams were reported interest. He was a free agent and choose where he wanted to go. And I dont remember manning blaming any receiver for why he threw an int or saying a coach is the reason why a play didn't work in a specific situation. And again don't remember any of their former players bashing them publicly for how poor of a leader they were. We even have a case from someone who has their head screwed on straight who played with Ben and peyton and called him a BETTER leader...

 

I think screaming at them on the sidelines is 'public'.

 

Why do you guy waste your time arguing with this delusional fool?

 

Only thing showing is him calling Mike vanderjet an idiot. Nothing on the offensive line callous anywhere.

And no I said I blame Ben for not making it his utmost business to keep AB reeled in. As a qb he's supposed to do that.

 

That's not directly addressing people with a quote for why something happened. You cant even tell what they say on the sidelines most of the time.

 

Steelers being loyal to a fault, Ben could have worked out
some sort of arrangement on his last contract, but he didn't he was too greedy.
We are stuck with an Eli Manning situation. It ends bad for both sides.

 

Look up a

Apparently you didn't watch the interview after he lost the playoffs against the Steelers. In 2005 . Ben's 1st SB year. When J. Porter was basically P. Manning's siamese twin. He was on him so much.