Big Ben calling his own plays

I read a blog and the writer asked Emmanuel Sanders about Ben checking out of run plays to pass plays about 20% of the time. Probably part of the reason Ben wanted to keep Arians with the Steelers. Don't know if he will have the same authority with Todd Haley.

 

i read it too and if sanders say 20 means is likely about 40

 

No thanks, there maybe 2 QB's in this league that study enough film
that can call there own plays. And he maybe retiring if he can't get his arm strength back.

 

I'm not sure what that means, tbh. Simple percentages don't really mean much next to the context of each call.

I mean, if Arians had called the same running play for the third time in a row, when the defense looked like they knew exactly what was coming? Obviously the QB changes the play.

If Arians was trying to get the running game established, but Ben wants to keep throwing bombs until Wallace catches one? Not so good.

We generally seemed to have done better when we've gone to no huddle in the past few seasons, mind.

 

BIg Ben has 2 rings I trust him enough with the offense

 

maybe thats why he has two.

 

I have to agree here. It's all about the situation at hand. And we all know (well most of us anyways) that Arians sucked when it came to situational play calling. So Ben opting out of a certain play could have been well warranted.

BUT there's little argument that Ben prefers to throw the ball instead of run.

 

Ben's performance is 2005 in the Super Bowl was the worst by a super bowl winning QB's in Super Bowl History. He played well in 2008 Super Bowl, but not great. So to say he is the reason for the rings is pretty absurd. Rings are not the only thing that defines a QB's worth. Those teams were loaded on defense and had pretty good weapons also. It was noted in 2008 that the defense was tlling Ben all year, just don't turn the ball over and we will win the game for you. Ben is not good enough to call his own plays and i doubt he studies enough film to check out of 20% of the run plays called. No wonder why he was so close with Arrians.

I can tell you one thing, with Haley in the as OC if Ben checks out and its not the proper call, i guarentee he will hear about it. Even if Ben thinks QB's should not be yelled at.

 

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Did you not watch the Ben's performances in the playoffs during those super bowl runs? Without him we would have not gotten to the SB. Get Real !

 

This is what bothered me about all the Arian haters. They have no clue what plays were audibles and and what weren't but yet when it doesn't work, they act like they know for sure it was Arians fault. Don't act like you know, when you really don't.

 

I don't mind it, but running on short yardage in a single back set repeatedly doesn't strike me as an audible.

 

I was unaware that they gave you SB rings for how you played in the playoffs. I am sure that if Ben explains to everybody how great his play was in those games they will give him a ring for his losing effort in his last SB. heck Brady should have two extra rings as well since he played his butt off in the playoffs leading up to the two loses to the Giants. maybe they should give Tebow one as well since he won a playoff game obviously that is worthy of a ring right?

 

Interesting. I'm anxious to see how play calling goes with the new OC.

 

maybe ben and the wr's will have their own covert playbook and ben will call those plays during the game and really confuse todd.

 

I believe his point was about the 2005 SB that everyone likes to throw in Bens face. They don't even get to that SB without Ben, his play was instrumental in leading up to it.[/quote:3b1opuku]

I know what his point was however that doesn't change the fact that you don't win the Superbowl based on how you played in the playoffs. Ben is no different in that regard to O'Donnell, Kordell, or Maddox. Everyone on this board dismisses the play of every QB going back to Bradshaw based solely on winning the big game. If you are using the metric of playoff performances than O'Donnell comes up huge since he took his team to back to back AFCCG and won the second time heading to SBXXX.

 

I think trying to soley paint a QB as great or not great, elite, etc. is pointless because it is one game. Yes it is a very very big game, but the way I look at it, it should be evaluated more as the cherry on top, not the custard that makes up the most important component of the sundae.

Dan Marino had a pretty awful SB, do you think he is not deserving of being called an elite QB. When John Elway won his 1st SB, his line was 12-22 for 123 yds, a pick and no TDs - maybe we should take him out of the HOF.

You measure a QB generally by how they overall perform, what they can do in the clutch (4th quarter, 2 minute offense, 3rd down efficiency), and how they perform in the playoffs. By all those accounts - anyone who doesn't think Ben Roethlisberger hasn't been an elite QB over the past 8 years is nuts. He has the stats, he has shown he can win games late, and he has a solid playoff resume. End of story. The guy may be a prima donna, drama queen, ******* (and I generally agree he is all of these), but he is also a winner and a major reason why the Steelers are basically second in line behing the Patriots for being the premiere franchise in the NFL over the last 10 years.

Finally - a couple of points. Ben was not lights out statistically in 08 when they won the SB, but the guy played hurt (hand injury, shoulder too I think) for a significant amount of that year - I personnally was pissed he played in some of those games because he was hurt and not practicing w/the team and I felt his timing was off. But he still led 6 come from behind victories during that year (granted DeShea really won the Dallas game w/the interception return). Ben did get pretty healthy going into the playoffs and played well with QB efficiency ratings of 98, 85 (against a very stout Baltimore defense), and 93.

Second point - when the Steelers have gone no-huddle and Ben is likely doing more of the play calling, the Steelers offense has worked better.

By the way, I badly want Haley to have a better influence on Ben, I sincerely hope Ben can adapt into someone who manages the play more at the line of scrimmage like Brees, Manning, Brady do

 

[quote="Kevin James"]This is what bothered me about all the Arian haters. They have no clue what plays were audibles and and what weren't but yet when it doesn't work, they act like they know for sure it was Arians fault. Don't act like you know, when you really don't.[/quote]

This is not different than the people who say on every errant pass that the receiver ran the wrong route. How do they know that?
Or the people who claim they know exactly what the Rooneys did concerning Arians, why they did it, and what big buttholes they are for doing it.
I am not a basher of Arians, Ben or the Rooneys, but this is the NFL not Fantasy Football...all the stats in the world are useless if you are not puttin it in the endzone. Points Scored is what the offense should be measured by.

 

Well let's see......

On one hand, we have a thread that argues that Ben has already been running roughshod, audibling out of running plays to pass more, freestyling out of control, due to the lack of adult supervision provided by BA. Thank goodness, Haley will put his foot down and make him accountable.

On the other hand, we have a thread that argues that Ben needs to call his own plays, that his natural talents were being stifled by the stale, unimaginative playcalling provided by BA. Thank goodness, Haley will take charge and fully exploit the available talent.

Both things can't be simultaneously true at the same time can they?

 

I think people will argue that Ben needs to be Ben (freestyle), but the OC has to make sure he has available targets (which I guess BA didn't do)... Or something like that... I guess...

I think the entire situation will be more visible once this new offensive team takes the field under Haley's guidance...