Big Ben 2012 MVP

Manning would make the line better due to him constantly using audibles and changing the protection.

Not to mention that if you gave Manning the defences Ben has had, he'd probably have 6 Superbowls by now.

 

Come on BFT, you've got to give Peyton a little more credit than that. I guess we'll see wat kind of bad weather QB he is when the weather turns out in Denver but he's obviously a great QB and would be a success on any team. He's the smartest and most studious QB in the league maybe ever and I'd like to see Ben try to emulate his work ethic when it comes to film study and game prep. Ben is getting better in that category I think, partly due to Todd Haley and his offensive philosophy, but he still has a long way to go to match Peyton or his brother Eli for that matter. Having said that, I do think Ben has a shot at MVP this year if things fall into place. There are very few QBs that I would even think about trading Ben for but Peyton may be one that I'd have to at least consider. Probably wouldn't do it though.[/quote:3oyuyra2]
I can NOT believe you think Eli is better than Ben. I'm a die hard Manning hater and I will readily admit that. But when you look at winning when it counts Peyton Manning looks average. Having the brains for it is one thing but you've also gotta have the physical toughness and I've never seen Peyton play through half the crap that Ben has. I know that Peyton knows what he's doing and prepares better than anyone but the fact is that his record when it truly counts is about .500. If I showed you on paper the bottom line which is wins and losses in the playoffs and I said "which qb based on wins and losses do you want"? You would certainly pick Ben. My point was Peyton is good in the regular season but Ben is good in the post season. It's basically what Terry Bradshaw said about the Drew Brees thing. He said "guys that's all good if you wanna get the numbers. but I'd rather get the rings." and I TOTALLY agree with that. A few years ago when we went to the Super Bowl they asked Ben how many rings he would like to have he said "one more than the next guy" and I love the fact that he said that. I wouldn't fall out with you for disagreeing with me but I really do think that Peyton is overblown when you look at what he's done for his teams in the playoffs. I believe Tom Brady has literally DOUBLE the playoff wins of Peyton and MORE THAN DOUBLE the rings. So does Ben incidentally. Heck so does Eli. LOL.

 

It takes a team to win a championship, one guy can't do it himself no matter how good he is.

 

Actually the year the Colts won the Super Bowl during their playoff run Peyton had 3 td's and 6 picks! That's hardly what one would call great. Deion Sanders even said that year that the Colts were winning "IN SPITE OF PEYTON MANNING"! So actually it was his D that got him one. Then when they went back against the Saints he had the oppourtunity to win the game and he threw a pick six. I live in Manning country and you could ask KnoxVegasSteel about this. But before he played for the Colts there were NEVER ANY SINGLE COLTS FANS AROUND HERE. Then suddenly there are so many colts "fans" it's ridiculous. So I'm used to being sorta piled on for not like Manning. But people are always making fun of me for liking Ben and I'm like "well let's look at what they have in common. They BOTH have winning TD passes in the Super Bowl! It's just that Ben's went to HIS team and Peyton's went to the OTHER"! Oh man let me tell you they LOVE that little joke! LOL.

 

What bothers me about that TTF is, Ben was probably Guilty of jumping those girls bones. I also believe both entered willingly. 1st one for sure when you see the email trail she left. Do not be fooled by number 2 girl. PK's Preachers kids are either goody two shoes or wild as Xaivendar Hollander. Did I get that name right? Anyhow he was guilty of being there. But a SB MVP would do a lot for him.

 

I can NOT believe you think Eli is better than Ben. I'm a die hard Manning hater and I will readily admit that. But when you look at winning when it counts Peyton Manning looks average. Having the brains for it is one thing but you've also gotta have the physical toughness and I've never seen Peyton play through half the crap that Ben has. I know that Peyton knows what he's doing and prepares better than anyone but the fact is that his record when it truly counts is about .500. If I showed you on paper the bottom line which is wins and losses in the playoffs and I said "which qb based on wins and losses do you want"? You would certainly pick Ben. My point was Peyton is good in the regular season but Ben is good in the post season. It's basically what Terry Bradshaw said about the Drew Brees thing. He said "guys that's all good if you wanna get the numbers. but I'd rather get the rings." and I TOTALLY agree with that. A few years ago when we went to the Super Bowl they asked Ben how many rings he would like to have he said "one more than the next guy" and I love the fact that he said that. I wouldn't fall out with you for disagreeing with me but I really do think that Peyton is overblown when you look at what he's done for his teams in the playoffs. I believe Tom Brady has literally DOUBLE the playoff wins of Peyton and MORE THAN DOUBLE the rings. So does Ben incidentally. Heck so does Eli. LOL.[/quote:1c8suzja]

Slow down and go back and read my post again. Go ahead, I'll have a snack a wait right here on you.

Now, I'm sure you've seen it by now but I challenge you to show me where I said that Eli was better than Ben. What I said was that Eli is more studious than Ben and I believe he is. Ben has always relied more on sheer physicality and strength and not so much on his intellectual ability. That's why I think Haley has been so good for Ben. He requires him to think a lot more on the field than he ever has before and also demands that he goes into games prepared and with a definitive gameplan.

You're still being unfair to Peyton though. He's clearly one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.

 

What bothers me about that TTF is, Ben was probably Guilty of jumping those girls bones. I also believe both entered willingly. 1st one for sure when you see the email trail she left. Do not be fooled by number 2 girl. PK's Preachers kids are either goody two shoes or wild as Xaivendar Hollander. Did I get that name right? Anyhow he was guilty of being there. But a SB MVP would do a lot for him.[/quote:b44nwtwj]
Well I am a son of a Baptist preacher and I am a Baptist preacher myself so I am somewhat of an expert on this. LOL. It has been my experience that MOST of the kids I grew up with whose dad's were preachers OR deacons both were pretty mean kids. I'm sure that girl's dad was REALLY embarrassed regardless of whether it was consentual or not just by that fact that his kid would be in a place like that. I know my dad would've been. But kids are kids and they do stupid things. ALL of them. Even old Blountforcetrauma if you can believe it.

 

You got that right BFT. Colts fans out the donghole around here. Now all of a sudden, you see donkeys jerseys. Peyton is smart and a student of the game but he definitely isn't on par from a physical standpoint with Ben or even Eli. What cracks me up the most is that Peyton didn' t win the national championship at UT. Tee Martin was the QB on the national championship Vols team. LOL

 

I can NOT believe you think Eli is better than Ben. I'm a die hard Manning hater and I will readily admit that. But when you look at winning when it counts Peyton Manning looks average. Having the brains for it is one thing but you've also gotta have the physical toughness and I've never seen Peyton play through half the crap that Ben has. I know that Peyton knows what he's doing and prepares better than anyone but the fact is that his record when it truly counts is about .500. If I showed you on paper the bottom line which is wins and losses in the playoffs and I said "which qb based on wins and losses do you want"? You would certainly pick Ben. My point was Peyton is good in the regular season but Ben is good in the post season. It's basically what Terry Bradshaw said about the Drew Brees thing. He said "guys that's all good if you wanna get the numbers. but I'd rather get the rings." and I TOTALLY agree with that. A few years ago when we went to the Super Bowl they asked Ben how many rings he would like to have he said "one more than the next guy" and I love the fact that he said that. I wouldn't fall out with you for disagreeing with me but I really do think that Peyton is overblown when you look at what he's done for his teams in the playoffs. I believe Tom Brady has literally DOUBLE the playoff wins of Peyton and MORE THAN DOUBLE the rings. So does Ben incidentally. Heck so does Eli. LOL.[/quote:3evhzeps]

Slow down and go back and read my post again. Go ahead, I'll have a snack a wait right here on you.

Now, I'm sure you've seen it by now but I challenge you to show me where I said that Eli was better than Ben. What I said was that Eli is more studious than Ben and I believe he is. Ben has always relied more on sheer physicality and strength and not so much on his intellectual ability. That's why I think Haley has been so good for Ben. He requires him to think a lot more on the field than he ever has before and also demands that he goes into games prepared and with a definitive gameplan.

You're still being unfair to Peyton though. He's clearly one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.[/quote:3evhzeps]
I'm sorry about that. I just misunderstood it. I agree that he's one of the greatest. But I think that it needs to be emphasized that he's one of the greatest in REGULAR SEASON history. That's the point I was making. Trust me when he played here at UT he didn't always deliver in the crunch either. He NEVER beat Florida and didn't win the National Championship. I don't watch College football but I LOVE to aggravate my buddies and tell them that Tee Martin is the best UT qb of all time because he was able to win the big one. They get so mad at me and I just crack up. They know I'm just aggravating but it's still funny to watch them shake their head and throw up their hands.

 

Read the post I was working on while you were working on that one. LOL. Great minds think alike. I used to tell all the bandwagon boys at work that if the Colts would get Tee Martin they would get a ring. lol.

 

Slow down and go back and read my post again. Go ahead, I'll have a snack a wait right here on you.

Now, I'm sure you've seen it by now but I challenge you to show me where I said that Eli was better than Ben. What I said was that Eli is more studious than Ben and I believe he is. Ben has always relied more on sheer physicality and strength and not so much on his intellectual ability. That's why I think Haley has been so good for Ben. He requires him to think a lot more on the field than he ever has before and also demands that he goes into games prepared and with a definitive gameplan.

You're still being unfair to Peyton though. He's clearly one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.[/quote:2hf9knfe]
I'm sorry about that. I just misunderstood it. I agree that he's one of the greatest. But I think that it needs to be emphasized that he's one of the greatest in REGULAR SEASON history. That's the point I was making. Trust me when he played here at UT he didn't always deliver in the crunch either. He NEVER beat Florida and didn't win the National Championship. I don't watch College football but I LOVE to aggravate my buddies and tell them that Tee Martin is the best UT qb of all time because he was able to win the big one. They get so mad at me and I just crack up. They know I'm just aggravating but it's still funny to watch them shake their head and throw up their hands.[/quote:2hf9knfe]

I get your point and I agree that one of the criticisms of Peyton has been that he performs better in the regular season than in the post season. The same can be said about Dan Marino and for a long time, Steve Young. But at the end of the day a QB's career will not be divided into regular season vs. post season and Manning will be remembered like Marino and others as one of the greatest ever.

 

That is too funny! One of my buddies played FB with both Peyton and Tee. Not that he didn't like Manning but he got along well with Martin.

 

Slow down and go back and read my post again. Go ahead, I'll have a snack a wait right here on you.

Now, I'm sure you've seen it by now but I challenge you to show me where I said that Eli was better than Ben. What I said was that Eli is more studious than Ben and I believe he is. Ben has always relied more on sheer physicality and strength and not so much on his intellectual ability. That's why I think Haley has been so good for Ben. He requires him to think a lot more on the field than he ever has before and also demands that he goes into games prepared and with a definitive gameplan.

You're still being unfair to Peyton though. He's clearly one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.[/quote:kowg1re0]
I'm sorry about that. I just misunderstood it. I agree that he's one of the greatest. But I think that it needs to be emphasized that he's one of the greatest in REGULAR SEASON history. That's the point I was making. Trust me when he played here at UT he didn't always deliver in the crunch either. He NEVER beat Florida and didn't win the National Championship. I don't watch College football but I LOVE to aggravate my buddies and tell them that Tee Martin is the best UT qb of all time because he was able to win the big one. They get so mad at me and I just crack up. They know I'm just aggravating but it's still funny to watch them shake their head and throw up their hands.[/quote:kowg1re0]

I get your point and I agree that one of the criticisms of Peyton has been that he performs better in the regular season than in the post season. The same can be said about Dan Marino and for a long time, Steve Young. But at the end of the day a QB's career will not be divided into regular season vs. post season and Manning will be remembered like Marino and others as one of the greatest ever.[/quote:kowg1re0]
I agree that he will be remembered that way. I just really think when you talk about the term "greatest" you have to put it in TOTAL perspective. I think Tom Brady is a much better qb but it's probably the same exact arguments that existed about Montana/Marino. Or even Bradshaw/Staubach. I'm all about the championships. Some people like the individual accomplishments.

 

Well one of the things about Manning is that he will throw his team under the bus. Remember when we beat them in 05 and instead of saying that we had a great d that confused or rushed him he said "I'm trying to be a good teammate here. But let's just say we had some PROBLEMS IN PROTECTION". Ben NEVER threw his bus under the line. That seems really whiny to me and it would seem whiny to others as well if they were being completely honest without knowing who made the statement.

 

I'm sorry about that. I just misunderstood it. I agree that he's one of the greatest. But I think that it needs to be emphasized that he's one of the greatest in REGULAR SEASON history. That's the point I was making. Trust me when he played here at UT he didn't always deliver in the crunch either. He NEVER beat Florida and didn't win the National Championship. I don't watch College football but I LOVE to aggravate my buddies and tell them that Tee Martin is the best UT qb of all time because he was able to win the big one. They get so mad at me and I just crack up. They know I'm just aggravating but it's still funny to watch them shake their head and throw up their hands.[/quote:17pzd6xq]

I get your point and I agree that one of the criticisms of Peyton has been that he performs better in the regular season than in the post season. The same can be said about Dan Marino and for a long time, Steve Young. But at the end of the day a QB's career will not be divided into regular season vs. post season and Manning will be remembered like Marino and others as one of the greatest ever.[/quote:17pzd6xq]
I agree that he will be remembered that way. I just really think when you talk about the term "greatest" you have to put it in TOTAL perspective. I think Tom Brady is a much better qb but it's probably the same exact arguments that existed about Montana/Marino. Or even Bradshaw/Staubach. I'm all about the championships. Some people like the individual accomplishments.[/quote:17pzd6xq]

THAT we agree on, my friend. For a Steeler QB it's all about the Lombardis!

 

I'm sorry about that. I just misunderstood it. I agree that he's one of the greatest. But I think that it needs to be emphasized that he's one of the greatest in REGULAR SEASON history. That's the point I was making. Trust me when he played here at UT he didn't always deliver in the crunch either. He NEVER beat Florida and didn't win the National Championship. I don't watch College football but I LOVE to aggravate my buddies and tell them that Tee Martin is the best UT qb of all time because he was able to win the big one. They get so mad at me and I just crack up. They know I'm just aggravating but it's still funny to watch them shake their head and throw up their hands.[/quote:oy8ivrwv]

I get your point and I agree that one of the criticisms of Peyton has been that he performs better in the regular season than in the post season. The same can be said about Dan Marino and for a long time, Steve Young. But at the end of the day a QB's career will not be divided into regular season vs. post season and Manning will be remembered like Marino and others as one of the greatest ever.[/quote:oy8ivrwv]
I agree that he will be remembered that way. I just really think when you talk about the term "greatest" you have to put it in TOTAL perspective. I think Tom Brady is a much better qb but it's probably the same exact arguments that existed about Montana/Marino. Or even Bradshaw/Staubach. I'm all about the championships. Some people like the individual accomplishments.[/quote:oy8ivrwv]

THAT we agree on, my friend. For a Steeler QB it's all about the Lombardis! [/quote:oy8ivrwv]
DEFINITELY!

 

I posted on here b4 the season even started, that i thought Ben would b MVP b4 he retired. and most peep on here thought i was crazy . now looky here what this post is abought

 

I still think it's far fetched. Ben is having a career year stat wise, but unless he really picks up the pace, I don't think he'll even be in the conversation. Rodgers and Brees just put up too many yards and too many TD's.

 

Ben will never get the "love", the endorsements, or the announcers calling him one of the "elite", although I have heard a couple of them mention that this year.
Couldn`t care less... I have the same attitude he does... When he wins enough Superbowls, and posts enough of a lifetime "winning percentage", You HAVE to look at that, over the off field mistakes...
I have to say, that I have seen him take a step up, this year, in throwing quick passes, hitting his check down recievers, and spreading the ball around to ALL his available targets.
I have to give Haley credit for that, while also giving Ben credit for seeing what Haley opened his eyes to, and not just being a stubborn "Prima Donna/ "Diva"!
And I would be remiss, if I didn`t say that I am amazed BFT hates Manning, but sticks up for Brady!
I won`t defend either one, but I don`t actively "Hate" Manning.
He doesn`t whine and cry, when things don`t go his way. Brady does...
Just sayin...

 

I always hear announcers refer to Ben as being elite. He doesn't get the endorsements due to his incidents years ago. He does get respect from all the commentators though. He's always talked about as a top 5 QB in the league. The Sirius guys love him.

 

Shaner, not to nitpick, but prior to this year... I really didn`t hear them say that very much...
Almost seemed like they had been reading our board, and all of a sudden, this year, I start hearing the word "Elite", and "Ben Roethlisberger" in the same sentence on ESPN, etc... LOL!

 

Lol. Part of the fun of Peyton Hatin' is Brady Lovin'! I've said before that I'm probably one of the few if not the ONLY person on this board that actually likes Brady and Belichik and even the Pats as a whole. It's fun to like Tom Brady where I live because I can give so many people jazz about how the Pats used to outright own the Colts. It's really kind of a personal thing I guess. Another reason I don't like Peyton is because I just don't think of his as the type of player I like anyway. I like guys like Brett Favre and John Elway and Ben. Guys that aint scared to mix it up and get a little dirty or put themselves in harm's way if need be. With Manning (probably Brady too as far as this is concerned) it just seems like he's not willing to take the hits or even dish 'em out. More often than not when he throws a pick he just starts walking toward the sideline. I also don't like dome teams as a general rule and he plays in one too. There's just a lot of reasons for me. But really when you think about it what is the point of not liking ANY player? They all play the same game that we love and they all have to go by the same rules. So I really don't see the need to be hatin' on somebody unless it's just in good fun. The psychology of sports fans would be very interesting to study I'm sure.

 

Look at me!

 

not much nationally. he's already got a bad rep. with non steeler fans. i don't think it would help him much. in this day and age of media bias, he may be hard pressed to hook up with a national chain as a spokesman. alot of advertisers have been burnt by some high level pro's, so they are being rather picky right now. the mannings are loved. peyton could act after football, he's actualy quite funny. even when he hosted saturday night live, he was good at it. they are after squeeky clean guys like him now. ben is loved by steeler nation and not even some of them. nationally he would have a hard time i think.