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Better Play design probably helping Mcfarland

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by PWP, Aug 7, 2023.

  1. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    not the 14 yard run against the Bucs?
     
  2. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    FWP was a poor blocker as well and he wasn't even a good route runner or pass catcher yet he help our Offense big time .. It was simple open a hole let him get in it and he may take it the house with Improved OL play our speed guy can turn in some big runs as well...

    As far as the kick return goes he may or may not get better most Teams never go live in practice plus you are mixing and matching pieces in the pre season we will have to see some with the set unit to see really what he can and can't do...Plus maybe we just went return middle everytime instead of showing our peel back return to the wide side which would also help him look much better...
     
  3. PWP

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    He actually does press his first steps are straight towards the middle then he saw the edge and jump cut to the outside.. In the past he would have never been square or took any steps to the middle...
     
  4. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    It was a rookie cb tho who didn't hold stay in position.
     
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  5. PWP

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    and a outside LB and a Safety and the FS all of them seen him hit the edge , but none could catch him ..I have seen many #1 Force guys get caught peeking inside it happens every week all season long the key is having a RB with the gear to make them pay for not keeping contain...
     
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  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Snaps , or touches???? Big big big difference. I would bet big money unless there is an injury He will never get 10-15 touches a game.
     
  7. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    Unless there is an injury or we are way ahead or way behind which neither one happens that much, chances are really good that he doesn't get in the game at all.
     
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  8. jeh1856

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    This is better than the DHB moving to safety hallucination
     
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  9. PWP

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    He is talking snaps as I am maybe 4 or 5 Touches, but Coach T isn't talking Varsity level Football winning those 1 v 1 battles and saying is better at some things that others in the RB room just to have him stand on the sideline..

    He will get some chances right out of the gate depends on how he produces as 2 if that grows or not ..IMO his first looks will come on 3rd. and 4 or 5 or so a down probably not a power running down , but good for quick passes, screens, draws and such .. He also may be the 2 minute RB as it gives us big play ability and he has the speed to get out of bounce and save more clock time..
     
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  10. PWP

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    Almost ..This 1 has more legs ..We sucked at that position then was late in his career he should have been switched about year 3 of his career.. Remember we cut a WR I said could play CB he went to another Team switched to CB and played a few seasons he didn't have have the talent DHB had..
     
  11. Hanratty#5

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    2 minutes to go in a close game and Tomlin tells Harris and Warren to take a seat that he's putting in McFarland with the game on the line? I see your enthusiasm over McFarland not sucking as bad this year as much as he has the previous 3 but putting him in with the game on the line? That will never happen unless the other two backs have compound fractures in both legs.
     
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  12. Formerscribe

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    Parker was a much better runner than McFarland. On the field, McFarland has done nothing to be worthy of that comparison. I keep seeing the excuse that McFarland didn't have that much experience when he was drafted, but he got a lot more opportunity in college than Parker. Despite that, Parker showed he could be an impact back as a rookie. By his second season, he was starting and rushing for over 1,200 yards. He was approaching 3,000 yards rushing in the NFL by the end of his third season. McFarland has 146.

    Now you are going to make excuses for him doing a poor job on returns, too. :facepalm:
     
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  13. Formerscribe

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    Warren showed that he has that gear against the Bills' starters.
     
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  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Nice try but I’m not letting you off the hook with that politician answer.

    So once again, Washington should not receive any targets because Muth, Johnson and Pickens are all better players?
     
  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I said snaps, where did you get touches from, lol.

    I know thats a big difference.
     
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  16. jeh1856

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    They both had 2 legs

    And on a related note the average person has less than 2 feet
     
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  17. jeh1856

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    Putting McFarland in the same sentence as FWP is a bigger stretch than comparing SPAM to sushi

    Although in Hawaii they do make SPAM Musubi


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  18. mac daddyo

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    i seem to remember the peg leg corner they drafted one year. he was good in coverage if anyone came into his 3 foot circle. of course they had to cut him because of the hooked hand. they were going through too many footballs when he made the interception. :cool:
     
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  19. Formerscribe

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    How is that a politician's answer? Read the rest of my post more clearly. I explained the primary difference between Washington and McFarland. Washington doesn't have to be a primary option as a receiver to have value. He brings value as a blocker. In fact, he is probably going to be a key component of the running game. He will get a few targets in the flow of the offense. They don't have to take snaps and touches away from the more talented skill players in the plan to get him the ball. They don't have to disrupt the offense to use him.

    I see why we don't agree here. I think it is part of how we look at players. I am not as focused on physical traits. I think there is a danger for fans and coaches in being too fascinated with one or two physical traits at the expense of looking at what a player actually does on the field. Yes, McFarland has speed. Unfortunately, for three years, that speed hasn't been enough to make him a good running back. Sure, maybe he can make plays out of the slot, but Austin and Robinson can give them explosive plays from the slot, too. Heyward doesn't have his speed, but he has actually shown he can make explosive plays as a receiver, too. As a runner, Warren offers explosiveness without sacrificing physical running and blocking ability. If they ever include a 40-yard dash during the game, by all means, get him in there.

    This fascination with physical traits like McFarland's speed so often leads to mistakes. Kendrick Green is an example of that. The guy has excellent speed for a lineman. He is also a beast in the weight room. Unfortunately, he can't translate that power and athleticism onto a football field. I think that fascination with physical traits also led to you overrating Malik Wills and wanting him over Pickett. Wasn't that a misjudgment?
     
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  20. METALMAN_68

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    The fake to Austin on the jet sweep took the linebacker #55 out of the play. DJ had a great block leaving only Poyer who is a whole tenth of a second faster than Warren and he took a bad angle. There is no argument about Warren being a better back than McFarland and I will say he surprised me with that burst but let's not make him out to be some world-class track guy.
     
  21. S.T.D

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    The reason I ask, and had question marks. Snaps mean nothing. A player can have 10- 20 snaps a game....if the ball doesn't ever come to them in those snaps...most people don't even know He's on the field....for instance....how many times did people say during the preseason.....is A. Robinson getting any snaps??? I knew He was out there, and some others, but you get My meaning
     
  22. S.T.D

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    Thats different, and You know it....we will use many 2 te packages....how many two RB packages will We run???
     
  23. S.T.D

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    It's really simple....if they use McFarland 10- 12 touches a game without Warren, and Najee being hurt ....,and it works ....You Guys are correct, but if Not... I'm sure You McFarland lovers will just seem to forget You said anything. Also I care less about him having 10 snaps a game, and He doesn't touch the ball....that means nothing as this so called weapon people are making Him out to be. I could have 10 snaps a game, and that would prove nothing as a RB, Wr, or weapon if I don't touch the ball. LoL
     
  24. Blast Furnace

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    The fact that Washington is already on the field as a blocker doesn’t matter. Getting McFarland snaps is not a big deal because Pickens, Johnson, Robinson and Austin do not play 100% of the snaps regardless whether they involve McFarland or not. It’s not a disruption as you put it but a natural distribution of snaps. Also, Austin hasn’t done anything yet so it’s premature to say he is better and Robinson has been a shell of himself the last few seasons. So thats two guy’s they can easily work snaps in for McFarland. I doubt Mac will take many away from Pickens and Johnson.

    I also don’t see why you think McFarland needs to be the primary receiver? If he’s not open, Pickett wont throw it to him. No one is saying to ignore an open Johnson or Pickens to force the ball to Mac.

    McFarland has a skillset they can use just like Washington’s immense size can be taken advantage of and should. That there are other better players on the field carries no weight on who should be targeted. The open man should be targeted.

    A little early to be trying to serve crow there bud :lolol:

    Willis has improved so much from last season he forced the Titans to carry three QB’s, something they do not do. Most people agree he earned the number 2 job but they haven’t named one yet. I don’t agree with your premise anyway. If Willis continues to develop his game, his physical traits will separate him from Pickett.

    Right now Pickett is far and away the better QB and I’m happy they chose him because the Steelers are ready to compete now. Willis is still a year away. Next season I am predicting the Malik Willis show. He threw a TD pass his last preseason game that had my mouth watering and reminded me why I wanted them to draft him so much. Still has a ways to go though and needs to cut down on mistakes.
     
  25. Blast Furnace

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    I understand that but he can’t get touches without snaps. I figure he will get about 3-4 touches a game.

    We were discussing snaps because the argument was he will be taking them away from other players.
     
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