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Better Play design probably helping Mcfarland

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by PWP, Aug 7, 2023.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’m sure you do think that but you’re wrong. A change of pace back means different from what you already have. Harris and Warren are the same running style.

    Change of pace back generally means quick twitch guys, faster and shiftier RB’s. To use your own words against you, you think that because Warren ran for a 62 yard TD in preseason against players who will be bagging groceries, this makes him a change of pace back? Thats funny right there.

    Their own coaches say that McFarland gives them a different style of RB than they already have but what do they know.
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Saying he has one run over 15 yards in three years is misleading and you know it. if he had been starting for those three years that statement would carry some weight.
     
  3. jeh1856

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    :popcorn:
     
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  4. Formerscribe

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    A change of pace back brings different abilities. Warren is smaller, quicker, and faster than Harris. Warren is a quick-twitch guy. He is faster and shiftier. You actually listed traits that describe him when you tried to define a change of pace back. That supports my argument, not yours.

    Part of what makes Warren so impressive is that he is all of that, but he can also be physical.

    Regarding using my words against me, apparently, you forgot that both teams still had their starters in the game when Warren ran for that 62-yard touchdown. The last man to beat was the Bills' safety, Jordan Poyer. Warren blew right past him. Poyer was an All-Pro in 2021. He made the Pro Bowl last season. He is No. 57 on the NFL's Top 100 list for 2023. I'm going to step out on a limb and write that Poyer won't be bagging groceries next week. In fact, I doubt any Buffalo defender who was on the field for that play will be cut.

    I'm editing my initial response to remove some well-earned sarcasm. Of course, you know they aren't cutting those guys. You made a mistake that undercut your attempt at a mic-drop moment. It happens.
     
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  5. Formerscribe

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    I know no such thing. It isn't my fault that the facts are not what you would like them to be.

    He has been in the NFL for three years. In that time, he has failed to do the things you are assuming he will do. You seem to think his lack of carries over the last three years is a good thing. It isn't. It speaks to him not being good enough.
     
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  6. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    The statement that McFarland will get 15 snaps a game is ridiculous. At the most he might get 2 or 3 snaps and it is entirely possible that without an injury to Harris or Warren he won't play at all.
     
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  7. S.T.D

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    If it was Me doing this ....some smarta$$ would say .....Take it to PM....I don't want to have to skip all this to read a thread. LoL.
    Myself....I'm enjoying it. LoL :guiness::popcorn:
     
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  8. jeh1856

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    Huh :facepalm:

    He is a #3 back

    If he gets 15 then Warren and Harris would be in the 20+ and 25+ range

    That’s in the vicinity of 60 rushes a game
     
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  9. jeh1856

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    I like popcorn and beer

    Not in that order
     
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  10. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    I never really understood the logic behind skipping posts in order to read posts
     
  11. S.T.D

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    I don't either, but it's what some said last time I was in a argument on here.
     
  12. Formerscribe

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    I think that was snaps, not touches, so just being on the field.
     
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  13. Formerscribe

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    Arguments are fine. They are part of any decent message board. I'm stating what I think McFarland's role should be, which is a backup who rarely plays unless there are injuries or the game is out of hand. The coaches may very well want to use him more than that, but I think it is a mistake to take touches away from all of the guys ahead of him.

    The definition of change of pace back is an odd turn, something that is probably subjective. I think Warren actually fits the way Blast defined a change of pace back. His claim that I have the definition wrong is false, but whether Warren fits it or not is debatable.

    He is absolutely wrong about Warren's long touchdown coming against guys who will be bagging groceries next week. That is just a factual error. Warren did that against Buffalo's starters, including blowing by a Pro Bowl safety as if he was standing still.
     
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  14. S.T.D

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    You're preaching to the choir. I agree.
     
  15. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    Oh

    Thanks
     
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  16. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I know it. That just seemed to be a good spot to put all that.
     
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  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Didn’t read
     
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  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yeah that was a brain fart, was thinking Atlanta. I love Warren, not trying to knock him. For the first time thoughts are creeping into my head that he may be better than Harris.
     
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  19. PWP

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    snaps not carries..
     
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  20. Hanratty#5

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    He won't be in for 15 snaps unless there is an injury to the two guys ahead of him. He might get 2 or 3 snaps a game but that will be about it. If it's a close game throughout like most games are, then he won't play at all.
     
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  21. PWP

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    we will see
     
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  22. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I guess we will all find out pretty soon. I just have a hard time imagining a healthy Harris and Warren standing on the sidelines in a close game just to put McFarland in the game but like you said we will see.
     
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  23. PWP

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    The value of the RB position to the NFL and the way Teams have figured out RB'S snap counts to predict when they hit a wall will have some to do with it as well ..The only way for RB'S to get paid is to sign multiple contracts ..I am sure Harris has no problem with sharing the load , the more he shares the longer his career will be thus the more money he can make ..

    Coach T being a players Coach will no longer run the wheels off of a RB because he knows they are being under valued..
     
  24. Blast Furnace

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    He won’t get a lot of carries, maybe two or three a game but thats not where they are envisioning him making an impact. The coaches as well as Harris and some other players said get him into mismatches with LB’s and it will be a TD.

    You saw that in camp, he blew by Muse and just about every other LB they put on him. Faulkner praises McFarlands route running. They plan on using him.
     
  25. S.T.D

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    You can't use My line:stogie:
     
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