Ben's Comments about Bruce Arians

harristotle · Jan 28, 2012

mort159 said:

What has Ben done to help his image? Sure people around him say that he has changed, what do you expect them to say?

I want to like Ben. He is our QB, but i expect him to act like every other Steeler, not like he is above it. Here are a few examples...

-Max Starks gets cut, so Ben wears his jersey to practice that day. That shows his disapproval for everyone to see. It is not his place. That is Rooney, Colbert, and Tomlins decision, not Ben's.

-Ben makes comments about how important it is that the Steelers don't get rid of BA win or lose, the day before the Broncos playoff game. Poor timing. Worry about winning the game and nothing else. Also, not his place.

-And now the comments about Rooney. Again regardless what the context was, it was said. Therefore it is out there in the media. Ben could have answered the question differently, so it wasn't a big deal. He obviously knew what he was saying and what it was going to cause.

All these things show signs that Ben has not changed. Its not that hard to see it. They show signs of immaturity. I don't see Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc... making public comments in the media what the organization needs to be doing. And these guys do everything for their teams. Sorry, the proof is right there.

As for people expecting too much out of athletes. These people are paid millions of dollars and are role models for our children. They better be held to a high standard.
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That statement alone speaks volumes towards your blatant bias against Ben. I'm honestly sitting here laughing at how over the top anti Ben you are. Those people that say he's changed probably include some of the people who said he was an arrogant prick before, but that's not enough for you. Here's an example, Bradshaw was very openly critical of Ben back when he was being an idiot. Since the supposed turn around in Ben's life, Bradshaw has become at the very least quiet about things and one could even make the point a bit of a supporter of his now.

And to just to make my point clear, I don't condone Ben's past actions at all. I was very disappointed and embarrassed that our QB made the decisions he did, but I think there is enough evidence to show that he regrets his past actions and is maturing and trying to be a better man and a better QB for the Steelers.

mort159 · Jan 28, 2012

Kids look up to athletes period. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but they do. Its just reality. Thats why people expect a lot from them. Your comment saying you think people expect to much from athletes proves that. It is what it is, you can't change it. That is the public perception. Yes, there are plenty of good people that are athletes and plenty of bad ones, that is why i am very judgemental on this topic.

The people around Ben were not the ones saying he was messing up. It was comming from other places. Do i think Ben has gotten over the stage where he is going out and getting in trouble, Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that he still has not matured, No. T_E- You still do not address my examples for why i think these things.

I would not turn innocent things into more with those other players. Ben has a terrible reputation around the country. They don't. I'm not being picky on my reasons and i have plenty.

Sure its possible Ben and Art already talked. Its also possible they didn't. The moment his comments hit NFL live, Sports Center, PTI, Around the Horn, NFL total access, NFL radio, etc...the drama was made. I didn't start it. You don't think he could have answered the questions better to not have this happen?

I love the Steelers organization and i expect a lot from the people involved in it and i expect a lot from them.

mort159 · Jan 28, 2012

Harristotle- I have my reasons and have given my examples, butYou don't address the examples i used at all.

Yes, Bradshaw has become quiet, but he hasn't gone on record to say he is a big supporter of Ben yet. They were trying to establish a relationship. I'm interested to see what he says about this. Only time will tell on that.

I hope he does improve, but All i am saying is right now Ben is arrogant and immature and my examples show that

Blast Furnace · Jan 28, 2012

mort159 said:

Kids look up to athletes period. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but they do. Its just reality. Thats why people expect a lot from them. Your comment saying you think people expect to much from athletes proves that. It is what it is, you can't change it. That is the public perception. Yes, there are plenty of good people that are athletes and plenty of bad ones, that is why i am very judgemental on this topic.

The people around Ben were not the ones saying he was messing up. It was comming from other places. Do i think Ben has gotten over the stage where he is going out and getting in trouble, Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that he still has not matured, No. T_E- You still do not address my examples for why i think these things.

I would not turn innocent things into more with those other players. Ben has a terrible reputation around the country. They don't. I'm not being picky on my reasons and i have plenty.

Sure its possible Ben and Art already talked. Its also possible they didn't. The moment his comments hit NFL live, Sports Center, PTI, Around the Horn, NFL total access, NFL radio, etc...the drama was made. I didn't start it. You don't think he could have answered the questions better to not have this happen?

I love the Steelers organization and i expect a lot from the people involved in it and i expect a lot from them.
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If you have good parenting then your children won't look up to athletes, period. I've seen kids raised poorly and kids raised correctly and the later does not look up to athletes. If you have a good kid and he sees an athlete behaving badly he knows not to mimic it. This is fact because my nephews call out bad athletes all the time. It's simple, poor lazy parenting = misbehaving children.

I don't have quotes from people around him nor am I going to waste time looking for them but I can give the entire locker rooms silence on the subject as an example. Anytime when someone was asked about it no one would come to his defense, their silence spoke volume, now everyone in the locker room is behind Ben.

And I stick to my claim that if it were Brady, Breese or Rodgers you'd find something because the majority of people who have weighed in on this feel it was nothing.

harristotle · Jan 28, 2012

^ Love your sig T_E

Blast Furnace · Jan 28, 2012

harristotle said:

^ Love your sig T_E
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Thanks! I laugh every time I see it

mort159 · Jan 28, 2012

I agree, good parenting can help, but these athletes are in the spotlight and kids will see the good and the bad. I'm not saying that kids will automatically do what they do, but kids idolize athletes and as a professional athlete i feel you have a right to do your best to be a good role model, especially when you are the face of a franchise. Thats my opinion.

T_E and Harristotle- I think we agree to disagree on Ben. I have my reasons and i'm sure you have yours. At the end of the day we are Steeler fans and i'm sure we agree on a lot of other points when it comes to the Steelers.

BigBen7 · Jan 30, 2012

Ron Cook wrote article today....that Ben should be asking questions of Mr Rooney....

As for approaching Rooney, Roethlisberger is anything but uppity for wanting to do it. It was Rooney, you might remember, who talked publicly about the need for Roethlisberger to "tweak" his game before he spoke to Roethlisberger about it. You would think Rooney would want to make clear what he wants to Roethlisberger.

It's not as if Rooney is unapproachable. He might be the most approachable owner in pro sports. Like his father, Dan, before him, he's at the Steelers' South Side headquarters every day. He stands in the lunch line in the team cafeteria. He watches much of practice. He wants to have a relationship with his players. It's perfectly normal for Roethlisberger to walk into his office.
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12030/1206889-87-0.stm

Ray D · Jan 30, 2012

BigBen7 said:

Ron Cook wrote article today....that Ben should be asking questions of Mr Rooney....

As for approaching Rooney, Roethlisberger is anything but uppity for wanting to do it. It was Rooney, you might remember, who talked publicly about the need for Roethlisberger to "tweak" his game before he spoke to Roethlisberger about it. You would think Rooney would want to make clear what he wants to Roethlisberger.

It's not as if Rooney is unapproachable. He might be the most approachable owner in pro sports. Like his father, Dan, before him, he's at the Steelers' South Side headquarters every day. He stands in the lunch line in the team cafeteria. He watches much of practice. He wants to have a relationship with his players. It's perfectly normal for Roethlisberger to walk into his office.
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12030/1206889-87-0.stm
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And, hopefully, sanity has been restored.

Blast Furnace · Jan 31, 2012

Ray D said:

BigBen7 said:

Ron Cook wrote article today....that Ben should be asking questions of Mr Rooney....

As for approaching Rooney, Roethlisberger is anything but uppity for wanting to do it. It was Rooney, you might remember, who talked publicly about the need for Roethlisberger to "tweak" his game before he spoke to Roethlisberger about it. You would think Rooney would want to make clear what he wants to Roethlisberger.

It's not as if Rooney is unapproachable. He might be the most approachable owner in pro sports. Like his father, Dan, before him, he's at the Steelers' South Side headquarters every day. He stands in the lunch line in the team cafeteria. He watches much of practice. He wants to have a relationship with his players. It's perfectly normal for Roethlisberger to walk into his office.
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12030/1206889-87-0.stm
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And, hopefully, sanity has been restored.
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I wouldn't count on it!

Ray D · Jan 31, 2012

Tomlin_Era said:

Ray D":1twi49ph][quote=BigBen7]Ron Cook wrote article today....that Ben should be asking questions of Mr Rooney.... :thumbs_up: [quote]As for approaching Rooney said: ↑

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12030/1206889-87-0.stm[/url]
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And, hopefully, sanity has been restored.
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I wouldn't count on it! [/quote:1twi49ph]

Hehe... you're probably right.

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