Ben's a fourth tier quarterback according to this ESPN QBR ranking

No surprise with the elites. Interesting I guess. Fire away!

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-10-types-of-nfl-quarterbacks/

 

ESPN QBR is not real, its just some crap they made up and try to shove down our throats. Ithink Jaw's is the inventor of ESPN QBR

 

Started reading and got to so many graphs and charts trying to prove an opinionated point of view that I lost interest. Reminded me too much of my work.

Ben will never be considered elite. He could win 3 SB's in a row and they'd still talk about Brady and Manning being better.

 

And Nick Foles, NICK FOLES!!!, in the same "on the cusp" level.

 

That was the most painfully over analyzed article that I've ever (tried to) read. And totally useless too. If you're relying on their analysis to rate QBs, you're wasting your time. Imagine you do this through analysis and it leads to the conclusion that Colin Kapernick, Matt Schuab, and Teddy Bridgewater are better quarterbacks than Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, and Eli Manning. It just doesn't pass the logic, common sense, or eyeball tests and is simply NOT reality. If I did that research and those were the results, I certainly wouldn't publish it for fear of looking like a complete nincompoop. I would burn the data and then burn the ashes again just to make sure that no one ever read that crap.

 

ESPN is NOT real, it's just some BS cable station made up and shoved down the throats of the few that still watch it. I think the idiots who run ESPN are Moe, Larry and Curly.

 

garbage.

 

Dang. All along I thought it was Beavis and Butthead.

 

QB rankings are now and have always been worthless. Wins and losses are the only stats that matter. Ben is 106-52 as a starter and #11 all time for NFL wins.

 

No one is dumbfounded that Matt Schaub is a tier above Ben??? He's a backup to a rookie!

 

That should have been the first hint that they wasted their time with this analysis.

 

My understanding is that QBR isn't some subjective ranking based on opinion, but is compiled by analyzing the success of a QB on each play. In other words, two QBs with identical results in identical situations will get the same QBR. Not sure if that's 100% true but that's my understanding. It may be a complicated statistic, but it's the same for everyone.

If so, the numbers are the numbers, Lots of people here think Tony Romo is a stiff, but he did have a higher passing rating than Ben this yr. Phillip Rivers, another stiff, threw just one less TD than Ben. Are these things biased too?

Ben takes a lot sacks, his teams kick a lot of FGs in the red zone. Passer rating, passing yds, don't show this. QBR apparently takes this into account. And it's no surprise it shows him worse than other metrics.

I don't think Ben is mediocre QB by any means. But I do think his supporters over rate him, and his detractors under value him.

 

I was thinking the same thing about Schaub. (career rating 89, vs Ben 94)

 

Top 5 qb....but I'm still looking for consistency

 

actually, the 2014 QBR had Ben at #5. So it agrees with you.

 

Does the QBR take into account which type of offense is ran? Specifically if short passes are weighted differently than longer passes. Obviously the dink n dunk offenses will show higher completion rates than those that throw deep consistently. Maybe that can skew the QBR, I don't know as I don't really follow the metrics that closely.

 

Outside of getting game scores & stats, I put no stock in anything ESPN has to say.

 

Yea, probably just some espn interns trying to find the latest and greatest way add another stat to the list. Reminds me of newest exercise machines that will "help you lose fat and gain muscle".

If you call within the next 5 minutes, they'll also send you their exclusive formula on how cleat length improves traction.

 

I agree. The author was using QBR to cluster quarterbacks into groups based on their consistency. The "Elites" are at the top more often and more consistently than the other groups. One of Ben's issues is that while he has exceptional games (6 touchdowns two weeks in a row), he also has a good number of games where he is close to awful. The "elite" group has far fewer games where they are awful. What this simple analysis doesn't take into account is when the awful game happens - Manning would have low marks for playoff games .

 

I just hope someday Ben will be as good as Teddy Bridgewater. We'd be unstoppable!