Ben still loves himself some BA

Blast Furnace · Jan 19, 2013

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It's not as simple as Ben just talking to his friend BA. Put yourself in Haley's shoes. Ben makes it absolutely clear that he LOVES BA and implies that no other OC will ever measure up, mostly because BA let Ben run the show. Then Ben goes all passive-aggressive and starts talking about how Haley's dink and dunk offense is too conservative, how he calls audibles and uses hand signals from his buddy BA's playbook, and even has the audacity to imply that Haley was to blame for his boneheaded interceptions. All the while Ben is talking to his buddy BA on a weekly basis about what a bonehead Haley is. I can imagine what he was saying to BA if he was making those unflattering remarks to the media about Haley.

I've managed and supervised people my entire career, and if I had an employee like Ben who had a habit of subtly criticizing my decision-making, all the while talking to the old boss on a weekly basis, I'd be a little uncomfortable with that. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
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Wow! Yeah, I think it's the later Jack
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Seriously, TE?! This wouldn't bother you in the least if you were Haley? You're telling me that you believe that all of the comments Ben made about Haley and his "dink and dunk" offense and his comments about using BA's playbook were all just innocent little comments and weren't designed to send any kind of message (your PLAYCALLING sucks, Haley) to Todd Haley at all. I may be paranoid but that seems a little naive to me.

Oh man, gotta go!! THE ALIENS ARE BACK!!!
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Since when did dink and dunk become an insult? Is it insulting when Brady refers to it that way or when analysts talk about the Pats offense that way? And the hand signals they ended up adding in, it was so minor an incident it was ridiculous. And he never blamed Haley for his interceptions, don't know where that one came from. But the part I really was going wow about is who the hell is Todd Haley to get offended if Ben is talking to his friend? The highlighted part is total paranoia and even if true, tough ****, grow some thicker skin or more to the point, apply his own words to himself in your tag line.
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You know as well as I do that Ben did not mean dink and dunk as a compliment, don't you? Do you really believe that Ben was not trying to send a subtle message to Haley that the offense was too conservative when he used that terminology? Were Ben's comments about reverting back to BA's offensive terminology just innocent comments in light of the fact that he had referred to Haley's terminology as "Rosetta Stone" earlier or was something else intended? You're right, Ben didn't directly blame Haley for his stupid interceptions. I guess what I was referring to, and the attached article mentions it, is that Ben's comments when asked why they didn't throw the ball more to Heath in the second half of the Cowboys game was a curt, "don't look at me, ask him" response. I just thought that looked like Ben was trying to deflect the blame from himself to Haley. Haley didn't throw the boneheaded interception. I'm sure that on many of the plays that Haley called in the second half had a Heath option but throwing to the TE is just not as much fun as slinging it to the little fast guys 40 yards downfield.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Ben can be an obnoxious jerk. There is too much evidence out there to support that, TE. Ben has always been used to getting his way and he didn't like the fact that Haley was reining him in a little. Based on past history, I just believe that Ben knew exactly what he was saying when he made those questionable remarks. He even found it necessary to apologize for them later.

Look, I'm not saying Ben's not a very good QB but I think he has the capacity to be a GREAT QB under Haley. If Ben will devote more time to game prep and film study and become more intellectual in his approach to the game then he'll be able to win a couple more Super Bowls. I really believe that Haley is the perfect OC for Ben at this point in his career if Ben's not too stubborn to accept that. He will help to prolong Ben's career if Ben will allow him. We saw that the first half of the season and then Ben started pining for the old days with BA again and started playing undisciplined, sandlot football. BA was okay for Ben early in his career when his physicality could dominate a game, but those days are quickly passing and Ben needs to learn how to use his brain more effectively. I think he's smart enough, but I also think he's a little on the lazy side.

I hope that Haley and Ben come to terms with the fact that they need each other to be successful. If they do, more Lombardis are on the way for the B&G!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ley-not-offended-by-big-bens-recent-criticism
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I'm not going back and looking at all the quotes again, I do know that 99% of the time it's blown out of proportion, you guys really hang on Bens every word too much. I also can't comment on the prep and study remark because you and I have no idea how much time he puts into it. Is it safe to say Ben doesn't prep as hard as Peyton, sure but neither does anyone else. Better be real careful about trying to "change" Ben, you think it will get us a couple more SB's but it may end up getting you 0 SB's and less playoff appearances. You can build a game plan around Ben's strengths without resorting to BA ball. If you bottle up Ben, you could be doing him more harm then good. I'm giving both Haley and Ben an incomplete because last season was such fubar that it's hard to really determine anything. Ask yourself this though, as much as a hot head as Haley is, if things were bad between him and Ben, don't you think you would have seen it on the sidelines? What, did he turn over a new leaf? This is a gentler kinder Haley? I think as always, media and fans read way to much into Ben.

Wardismvp · Jan 20, 2013

As Art II said pre Todd Haley, we have to figure out
how to reduce the number of hits #7 is taking, Hence with
our OL under performing yet another year the Steelers only hope
to achieve what Art II is saying is to have a good running game
or get it out of the QBs hands fast so the 102 QB doesn't get killed.
His durability has come into play the last couple years, the hits
have caught up to him, he has lost his magic. I am not so sure
HE CAN MAKE ALL THE THROWS? I hope I am wrong!

BobbyBiz · Jan 20, 2013

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

Tomlin_Era said: ↑

JackAttack 5958 said: ↑

It's not as simple as Ben just talking to his friend BA. Put yourself in Haley's shoes. Ben makes it absolutely clear that he LOVES BA and implies that no other OC will ever measure up, mostly because BA let Ben run the show. Then Ben goes all passive-aggressive and starts talking about how Haley's dink and dunk offense is too conservative, how he calls audibles and uses hand signals from his buddy BA's playbook, and even has the audacity to imply that Haley was to blame for his boneheaded interceptions. All the while Ben is talking to his buddy BA on a weekly basis about what a bonehead Haley is. I can imagine what he was saying to BA if he was making those unflattering remarks to the media about Haley.

I've managed and supervised people my entire career, and if I had an employee like Ben who had a habit of subtly criticizing my decision-making, all the while talking to the old boss on a weekly basis, I'd be a little uncomfortable with that. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
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Wow! Yeah, I think it's the later Jack
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Seriously, TE?! This wouldn't bother you in the least if you were Haley? You're telling me that you believe that all of the comments Ben made about Haley and his "dink and dunk" offense and his comments about using BA's playbook were all just innocent little comments and weren't designed to send any kind of message (your PLAYCALLING sucks, Haley) to Todd Haley at all. I may be paranoid but that seems a little naive to me.

Oh man, gotta go!! THE ALIENS ARE BACK!!!
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Since when did dink and dunk become an insult? Is it insulting when Brady refers to it that way or when analysts talk about the Pats offense that way? And the hand signals they ended up adding in, it was so minor an incident it was ridiculous. And he never blamed Haley for his interceptions, don't know where that one came from. But the part I really was going wow about is who the hell is Todd Haley to get offended if Ben is talking to his friend? The highlighted part is total paranoia and even if true, tough ****, grow some thicker skin or more to the point, apply his own words to himself in your tag line.
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You know as well as I do that Ben did not mean dink and dunk as a compliment, don't you? Do you really believe that Ben was not trying to send a subtle message to Haley that the offense was too conservative when he used that terminology? Were Ben's comments about reverting back to BA's offensive terminology just innocent comments in light of the fact that he had referred to Haley's terminology as "Rosetta Stone" earlier or was something else intended? You're right, Ben didn't directly blame Haley for his stupid interceptions. I guess what I was referring to, and the attached article mentions it, is that Ben's comments when asked why they didn't throw the ball more to Heath in the second half of the Cowboys game was a curt, "don't look at me, ask him" response. I just thought that looked like Ben was trying to deflect the blame from himself to Haley. Haley didn't throw the boneheaded interception. I'm sure that on many of the plays that Haley called in the second half had a Heath option but throwing to the TE is just not as much fun as slinging it to the little fast guys 40 yards downfield.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Ben can be an obnoxious jerk. There is too much evidence out there to support that, TE. Ben has always been used to getting his way and he didn't like the fact that Haley was reining him in a little. Based on past history, I just believe that Ben knew exactly what he was saying when he made those questionable remarks. He even found it necessary to apologize for them later.

Look, I'm not saying Ben's not a very good QB but I think he has the capacity to be a GREAT QB under Haley. If Ben will devote more time to game prep and film study and become more intellectual in his approach to the game then he'll be able to win a couple more Super Bowls. I really believe that Haley is the perfect OC for Ben at this point in his career if Ben's not too stubborn to accept that. He will help to prolong Ben's career if Ben will allow him. We saw that the first half of the season and then Ben started pining for the old days with BA again and started playing undisciplined, sandlot football. BA was okay for Ben early in his career when his physicality could dominate a game, but those days are quickly passing and Ben needs to learn how to use his brain more effectively. I think he's smart enough, but I also think he's a little on the lazy side.

I hope that Haley and Ben come to terms with the fact that they need each other to be successful. If they do, more Lombardis are on the way for the B&G!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ley-not-offended-by-big-bens-recent-criticism
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I'm not going back and looking at all the quotes again, I do know that 99% of the time it's blown out of proportion, you guys really hang on Bens every word too much. I also can't comment on the prep and study remark because you and I have no idea how much time he puts into it. Is it safe to say Ben doesn't prep as hard as Peyton, sure but neither does anyone else. Better be real careful about trying to "change" Ben, you think it will get us a couple more SB's but it may end up getting you 0 SB's and less playoff appearances. You can build a game plan around Ben's strengths without resorting to BA ball. If you bottle up Ben, you could be doing him more harm then good. I'm giving both Haley and Ben an incomplete because last season was such fubar that it's hard to really determine anything. Ask yourself this though, as much as a hot head as Haley is, if things were bad between him and Ben, don't you think you would have seen it on the sidelines? What, did he turn over a new leaf? This is a gentler kinder Haley? I think as always, media and fans read way to much into Ben.
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