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Bell was right on Najee

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Silverback, Oct 10, 2023.

  1. Silverback

    Silverback Well-Known Member

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    Do you have something cognitively wrong with you? Do you have trouble just following along in conversation on a day-to-day basis?
     
  2. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Were you talking about Warren vs. Harris after the loss to the Texans?
     
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  3. Silverback

    Silverback Well-Known Member

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    All you're here to do is to start squabbles and add to contention. No thanks, ignore club for you.
     
  4. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I asked a valid question, but by all means, run and hide because you can't answer it.

    Of course, the reason Silverback is running with his tail between his legs is he looked at the statistics and was reminded that Harris was the Steelers' best player that day and Warren played poorly, producing very little and fumbling once. (He actually lost the ball a second time, but was just barely down before the ball came out. It still demonstrates his relatively poor ball security when compared to Harris.)
     
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  5. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Translation: You lost the argument :shrug:
     
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  6. Jball

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    When you can only swing a battering ram back 6 inches from the door, it's not very effective.

    Seems to me that Warren can create space with vison and athleticism. When your line isn't blocking well, it helps to have a guy like that.

    When the line is blocking well, and #22 can get a head of steam, he can pummel defenses like a battering ram. He runs tough and low, and has a good stiff arm. Not a Lev stiff arm, but pretty good.

    I wonder what his yards after contact are when first contact is past the LOS? Can anybody look that up?
     
  7. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    For all the arguments why people think Warren should be better, the fact remains that Harris has the better average per carry. This is with Warren getting some easier opportunities because he is either running from the slot or in situations when the defense is more focused on the pass.
     
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  8. Jball

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    While that is true, from a debate team perspective, if Warren had 15 touches a game, that's double the chances that he has to generate a long gamebreaking play.

    I believe, if given, 12-20 carries a game, he could really get into a rythym, and we'd see those results. 7 or 8 carries a game isn't conducive to long term success.
     
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  9. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    If this is true....then Why since they have elevated His attempts this year has His yards per carry went down considerably???
     
  10. Jball

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    He averaging less than 7 rushes per game. How you can get any kind of accurate idea of what a guy is truly capable of, with so few opportunities? You don't think he deserves more than that? Ok. I believe he does. That's twice the opportunity to deliver a game breaking run. That, clearly, he is capable of.
     
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  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    All I'm telling You is what has happened. He has taken more snaps this year than ever(last year), and His yards per carry has dropped . So basically what many are asking for is showing to be the opposite of what they think will happen. Here.....he is getting about 2 -3 more carries a game, and His yards per carry has dropped almost 2 yards per carry.
     
  12. Voice of Reason

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    I agree with this - the grass isn’t always greener.

    Over the years, there have been examples where a 3rd down back, or situational rb, has been given a chance as the feature back and they can’t hack it.
     
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  13. Formerscribe

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    Is 12.6 carries per game conducive to long-term success? That is how many Harris is getting this season. Neither guy is getting the ball enough, so that excuse for Warren doesn't really hold up, either.
     
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  14. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    Harris isn't necessarily slow. But he seems to plod. Maybe a lot of that is the way the plays are designed. I'd love to see what he could do with an old school power running offense, or even with a good lead FB. Of course, we have a problem at center, so there's that.
     
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  15. BowToTroy43

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    Coming into this season Najee was averaging 1,465 scrimmage yards and 10 Tds with bottom 10 o line play. Yeah, sucks.
     
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  16. Silverback

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    Do any of you EVER wonder why Najee has no 40 time on file? Because he's really fast and didn't want to brag about it? Or is it because it's darn slow and he knew having it timed would reduce his draft stock? On that same thought, is there any wonder why Najee has so few "splash plays" and longer runs? He has 20 yarders here and there and nothing else as far as long runs. Do all bigger backs lack his production in terms of long runs? Well, no, that's not true either. There is some guy named Henry who rips off LONG runs all the time.

    Najee is a plodder and lacks speed. He was a poor 1st-round draft pick, period.
     
  17. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    Another dues paying member of the ignore club for the wimps
     
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  18. Silverback

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    I'd argue that Canada's offense has gotten even MORE figured out by opposing defenses. Is it true that he ran the same running play 10 times last game? 10? And THIS is the choice of our OC (and head coach): running the same play 10 times in one game.
     
  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    Look at you

    Starting a post just so you can respond and whine some more
     
  20. ljkjr74

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    Warren all the way, Najee 2nd. He dances around to much and then the opening is closed.
     
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  21. BowToTroy43

    BowToTroy43 Well-Known Member

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    I do not, because I know he was recovering from an ankle injury during the combine. An ankle injury he suffered against Notre Dame and then proceeded to go on and dominate Ohio State. Most guys do not do the combine injured.
    You can see him being treated for it in his path to the pros documentary. (Timestamp: 9:20)
    I thought we settled this two years ago people:
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    Outruns a first round corner to the endzone, after compensating for atrocious blocking.
    People talk about Dolphins players hitting 21 miles per hour, well:

    He is faster than Bell, who was an All-Pro. No, he is not as fast as Derrick Henry in terms of long speed but Henry is a mutant so why bring him up?
     
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  22. Born2Steel

    Born2Steel Well-Known Member

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    A player's 40 time only means something in a foot race. It means nothing when it comes to moving the chains.

    That said, I'll be interested to see if the Steelers pick up the 5th year option on Najee. I like the guy. The player has been average.
     
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  23. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    Actually since you like to throw out statistics Henry’s average rush against a stacked box is only 3.0

    Najee sees a stacked box a lot and is doing better than that

    And his 40 is 4.54 when you get to the next grade they will teach you to use google
     
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  24. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    I highly doubt it
     
  25. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I was going to bring this up.:thumbs_up:
    People how well is Henry doing now that teams have actually realized that Tanahill is not the threat??? This is the same thing that Najee is facing. The D coordinator is not sitting up at night thinking how to shut down KFP, or Tanahill....they are thinking of ways to stop Najee, and D. Henry. Hell if You watch the games You can clearly see it.
     
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