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Belicheck might have come back to the pack last night

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steel1031, Feb 5, 2018.

  1. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    I know tomlin has his faults. Sometimes team isnt ready to play but i have talked to 3 pats fans today who want bill to retire. They arr saying he was severely out coached.

    One said he would take tomlin now. Three points they made were

    1. Not playing butler

    2. Waiting till 2nd half to but gillmore on Jeffery

    3. Why not target gronk 30 times. Even when game was on the line. Gronk would chip and go to the flat. Unlike when the played steelers and seam route after seem route.

    I think personally that is 2 super bowls in a row they have been out coached. Last year atlanta took foot of the gas.

    Tomlin has faults yes. But i think bill has shown a few more than people thought he had
     
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  2. OX1947

    OX1947 Well-Known Member

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    Patriots should be on their 5th straight SB loss.
     
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  3. Lambert

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    Yeah, a couple of handoffs and they haven't won anything in a long time.

    Still Bellicheat has been to 11 superbowls. Pretty amazing.
     
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  4. Hypocycloids

    Hypocycloids Well-Known Member

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    This is what is really interesting to me. If the falcons run the ball in the fourth quarter and the Seahawks hand the ball to Lynch three times, the Pats are 3-5 in Superbowls with Brady and Belicheat. Much different conversation about their legacy at that point.
     
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  5. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    But yet, the Patriots were up on the Eagles with 5 minutes to go. Patriots are still the best team in the AFC and only the Jaguars are even close. If the Broncos somehow get Cousins at QB, then they might threaten NE. Maybe the Texans if Watson can pick up where he left off. Other than that, the rest of the AFC is average or weak going into 2018.
     
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  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Belichick should be getting killed today and he is. Badly coached game. Hes still a better coach then Tomlin but with some up and coming coaches in the NFL, its not clear cut that he is the best anymore.

    That move to bench Butler was not only incredibly stupid it was the most heartless thing I have ever seen in real life. Thats movie **** right there.
     
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  7. Bradydaphonedestroyer

    Bradydaphonedestroyer Well-Known Member

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    I am afraid (unless brady gets injured ) there will be the same ole same ole AFC aka the JV football ...pats will be the #1 seed again.
     
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  8. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

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    That is the way to win though! The "Patriot Way"!!!


    In fact, here is the "Patriot Way" in its entirety;


    I, Bill Belichick, am the New England Patriots! By my rule, there shall be no opposition. No resentment. No opposition!!


    I am the Alpha and the Omega! Thou who elect to denigrate my rule shall face my fury!


    :lolol::roflmao:
     
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  9. steelburgh

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    Always easy to criticize the coach that is on the losing end of a game. Yes, NE should have lost to Seattle, bonehead playcall at the end of the game, and probably should have lost last year to Atlanta.

    However, if Philly doesn't convert that 4th down with approximately five minutes to play, NE probably goes down and scores and wins the game.
     
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  10. DSteelerCT

    DSteelerCT Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but the Giants also had 2 miracle plays to beat them. Bottom line, most of these games come down to 1 or 2 plays, whether it's lucky, coaching, etc. who knows?
     
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  11. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    But, if they Gaints didn't have a couple of crazy catches, Pats might of won those Super Bowls.
     
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  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Thats true. Works both ways.
     
  13. GoalLine

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    and if a certain past Steeler QB that will not be named doesn't throw 2 picks directly to the opposing D, we may have had another too.
     
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  14. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    Or Mendy fumbling against the Packers
     
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  15. Lambert

    Lambert Well-Known Member

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    Still hate him. That one will burn forever.
     
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  16. MadtownDruankard

    MadtownDruankard Well-Known Member

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    I think the only reason the Patriots didn’t win is because the officials stayed out of the game. There were blatant calls that could have gone against both teams. eagles were allowed to play physical with WR’s. Patriots were allowed to hold and push off. That Hail Mary at the end was full of blatant infractions on both teams... Patriots WR was leveled 20 yards down field and Gronk was throwing defenders around while the ball was in the air. It was like street ball. NE needs the officials to call a tight game to win. Just looking at the season they had 3-4 games that were actually decided by penalties all in the patriots favor. If those calls went against the patriots they probably don’t make the playoffs. That’s how close these games are and that’s how dependent NE is on officials throwing flags.
     
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  17. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the Patriots should fire Belichick his team wasn't ready to play, they couldn't stop the Eagles and Belichick is supposed to be a defensive genius. Or maybe New England is like Pittsburgh good offense but the defense stinks and got exposed :shrug:.
     
  18. MadtownDruankard

    MadtownDruankard Well-Known Member

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    If Brady had been getting knocked out of the playoffs early and to inferior teams for the last 8 years then maybe you’d have a legit point. I recall them winning a sb last season with a bad defense and a no one around Brady besides Gronk. Imagine if Brady had our WR,s and Bell.
     
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  19. shaner82

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    Exactly. The Pats could just as easily be undefeated in SB's under Belichek. The reality is that Belichek is regularly in AFC championship games, almost always wins his division and has been to 8 SB's as a head coach, including 3 in a row. Was he outcoached last night? Perhaps. Has he been outcoached before? Yes, and he will be again. He's definitely not perfect. The thing is, he makes it extremely difficult to beat the Pats. Foles had to be almost perfect and he still needed a defensive TO at the end to stop them. Some of those throws he made were in very tight windows, yet he nailed them all. If he hadn't played such a great game, Philly would have lost. That's the reality when you play the Pats, you need to play your best, because if you faulter even a tiny bit, they'll beat you.

    The grass is always greener on the other side. If Pats fans want him to retire, it's because they've grown too accustomed to winning and they've lost touch with reality. They've been to 3 SB's in a row. They've won 2 of them. Even if they were 3-5 in SB's, that's still a ridiculous amount of success.

    McVay and Pederson look like they will be very good coaches, but until someone actually unseats him, Belichek is still the best coach in the league and there's not a close second. The results speak for themselves.
     
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  20. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    And if GB WR's didn't drop numerous balls, they beat us by far more than they did. It goes both ways. GB was a far better team than us that day
     
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  21. DSteelerCT

    DSteelerCT Well-Known Member

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    They didn't even have Gronk last year!!
     
  22. Mailman

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    Whether we like it or not, in this era of parity in the N.F.L. the Patriots have been to 12 AFC championship games and 10 Super Bowls since belichick was head coach since 2000.Throw in the fact that he’s been to 7 straight AFC championship games is actually pretty mind blowing!Yeah, he’s had Brady as a QB in those years but many other players that have excelled in his system that may have been just decent on other teams!Most of the time who ever he plugs in there does a great job!He gets the best out of his players on a pretty consistent basis!I know he’s coached in a subpar division but usually never plays down to the competition and does what a great team does!Win the games he’s supposed to if you know where I’m going with this?Don’t know all the circumstances of the Butler deal this last Sunday but it must have been fairly serious to bench him for the whole game!No lack of discipline in that organization for sure! I’d like to see a little bit of that discipline with the talent we have!!
     
  23. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Yep. The problem is, for most of the regular season the officials were all over the games. For the post-season they basically disappeared.

    I don't know if that was to do with
    a) the calibre of the officiating crews;
    b) the calibre of the teams - though unlikely to be this as there were clear penalties getting missed;
    c) there was a line from the NFL that they wanted refs to stay out the games more; or
    d) it's just my skewed and bitter perception.
     
  24. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    So did the Steeler defense...
     
  25. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Green font is for sarcasm, doesn't change the fact that Belichick got outcoached by Pederson in the SB.
     
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