Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by BigBensBigBong, Jun 17, 2020.
I'm still looking for my safe space!
I think that Redskins is pretty offensive. There used to be someone on KDKA who would call them something else when he gave scores. Also called the Braves the Atlanta Ted Turners. If african american players insisted on it, things would change.
Does anyone remember when Uncle Ben was briefly a white riverboat captain?
I went into a store on an Indian reservation, and they had a cigar store white guy out front. I didn’t take insult.
You could probably take any team, in any sport, and if one thought long and hard enough could come up with a reason as to why to make a change. Some have some validity and some are really over-reaching IMO. You gave two examples. Here are two more. How about the Bengals and the extinction issue with this beautiful creature. One could go either way with this one. Are Bengal Tigers being exploited for monetary gain OR could the logo be used to promote awareness for them?
How about the Raiders? What is a Raider? They may fall along the same lines as your example with the Vikings. Even though they are fictitious (I believe), looking at the logo it would seem to represent a stereotypical bad guy. Shame on you Oakland. Shame, shame, shame. Just kidding if anyone thought I was serious.
I am cool with the Raiders logo. Always have been. It added to the great 70's rivalry with them. Their logo, and ours, when combined was dynamic. The clash of cold hard steel and that of the ominous villain. People thinking too deep on some of this. It has some people walking on unnecessary eggshells right now IMO.
STEELWINDS AKA The East Side Kid
I don't want to wade too much into this, as there's a lot of nuance lost over the Atlantic.
But I think there's a fairly clear difference between certain names or images being possibly connected with "bad guys", and more specific links that are problematic.
The Vikings and Raiders are called that precisely because they are violent, pillaging figures. And why not? Makes sense for a football team.
The Redskins are called that because a) they started playing in the same field as the Boston Braves and b) it's an image of a violent, warrior-like people. BUT it's also a stereotypical and insulting term for a real group of people who have experienced real atrocities from the institutions that reside in Washington.
Clearly, the same can't be said about Vikings. Unless the US invaded Norway and took all their land, in which case it may become problematic. It's not about objecting to "bad guys", it's about objecting to the use of a pejorative name.
I think the over-reaching comes when people simply list possible connections between things, rather than look at the very real relationships between certain words and images and history.
Great job, well said.
Personally, I really try not to think too deep about these things. I try to take them within the context of how they are being instituted. Sticking with the N.F.L., for me it is an outlet. I try not to let political stances persuade or detour me from the enjoyment of the game. It is an outlet. A fun outlet. Given that, I am not going around oblivious either to what might possibly offend a person or a group of people. I get the Redskins issue. I respect them as warriors, in a good way. Strong, courageous, athletic and so on. Nothing but positive imagery.
However, I am not of Native American descent. So, how I look at things may be totally different than someone from that bloodline/ancestry. I would never soft-step or negate one's opinion. If someone feels something is offensive then by all means I am all ears. I do not know everything and never have claimed to have. I am open-minded so please explain to me your stance so I can become more informed, enlightened and educated. It would just make me a better person in the end which should be everyone's goal in life IMO, to always want to do/be better. Just as I would do regarding my nationality/ancenstry if I felt something was oppressive or offensive.
STEELWINDS AKA The East Side Kid
Could Little Caesars be next?
After all these were the biggest slave owners the world has ever seen.
Pretty sure with the largest Pizza Hut franchise owner filing chapter 11 that Little Ceasars is doing all it can to keep their head above water and not caring if ancient Rome was built on the backs of slave labors and bloody conquest. They are trying to sell pizza and waiting for the right time to repackage and unleash the BIGFOOT once again.