Arians vs. Haley

I know for years people were wanting bruce gone. I wonder what haley has to do so people will not want the same fate for him. If we are still middle of the pack on offense and suck in the red zone will people still blame bruce or will the players finally get some of the blame for not executing the plays. don't get me wrong, I think we will be much better. I just think it will be funny to see how long it takes to see this post. FIRE HALEY NOW

 

Why does it have to be the players fault again? What if Haley's play calling is just as inept? Just because there is a new guy at the offensive helm doesn't mean he's absolutely the answer and all focus must be somewhere else.

Had or have you seen any threads wanting to replace or eject Foote, Gay, D. Johnson, Kemo, Scott, McFadden, Mendy, Wallace...??? (I could go on and on)

The players get plenty of flack for underperforming unless you haven't been paying attention. Ariens wasn't the only whipping boy. Selective memory...

 

the big difference i've seen is that haley adapts his offense to the talent he has to work with................ arians expected the players to fit into his scheme, and didn't utilize all available weapons............ this change in philosophy can only help.

 

Actually being in the middle of the pack offensively would be a big improvement over last year.

 

I don't blame the players because they were set up to fail. If you told any normal guy on the street we have a team that is terrible in pass protection and has a QB that likes to hold on to the ball... He would say then you should design an offense that gets the ball out quickly... Not slow developing, long bomb plays.

I mean sure I can blame Jonathan Scott, Kemo, etc for stinking... but the fact is they just weren't good, they can't really help that.

 

It will be very difficult for Haley to situational playcall a game worse than BA did. It would be hard for a high school offensive coordinator to achieve that let alone an NFL coach. I think Haley will be just fine. Honestly, I think it will be like comparing a Ferrari to a Yugo.

I also believe that Todd will play to the opposing teams weaknesses and not game plan every opponent the same. Bruce did that during the NE game last year but at no other time during the season. I think that will be the biggest difference.

 

"I did get the ball out quickly, it's called the bubble screen bro" -BA

 

I wouldn't say that NO ONE called for J. Scott or Kemo to be replaced, nor would I say that about Mendy. Many people on here called for J. Scott to be replaced during the year last year. Many people knew that Kemo was dumb, but hoped he would eventually catch on. Numerous threads were written calling for the non-dance-behind-the-line Redman to replace the spinning-dancing Mendy.

The reality is that BA always was about the square peg in a round hole. It didn't matter that the bubble screen was the only play we called out of that formation...we were going to run it. It didn't matter that it was 3rd and 1 at the 25 and a FG would win the game, he was going to drop Ben back 10 yards and hope for no sack. It didn't matter that it was 2nd and 1 and we had just run the ball for 9 yards, he was going to throw it the next 2 times. It didn't matter that our Oline stunk and everyone knew it, we were going to try to use plays that took 8 seconds to develop and never use play action to help gain another second or 2. It didn't matter that we had RBs as they only run the ball. We only threw to them 48 times last year....while the Saints threw to Sproles 86 times and Thomas 50. To put that in perspective with our own offense, we had 48 RB passes completed.....40 Bubble screens completed.

 

It's simple. If Haley shows as much lack of understanding about how to call situational football as BA did then he too will get ridiculed and ran out of town. If he shows even the slightest bit of common sense when calling plays i think he'll be just fine.

 

My answer to "what will Haley do to make me want the same fate for him" can be summed up in these words... "Bubble Screen" and "Empty backfields on 3rd and 1 in the red zone". Yep. That should do it for me.

 

Well for one thing, Trib Live or Post Gazette mentioned that under Haley, they are at least practicing running plays now.

So i think that is at least comforting for those of us wondering wha happen to the running game.

It's coming back and I for one embrace the change.

 

I have one huge problem with people that complain about play calling. You don't actually know if the OC's first choice was actually run. From everything I've read Ben was frequently(if not always) given two plays and he makes the choice. Steelers fans love to point the finger at Arians for our woes, but a significant amount of the blame should fall on Ben as well. In a similar vein people love to point to our redzone issues and blame Arians, but Ben's career redzone #'s are just as poor. The point being our offensive problems have been around for a long time and the blame shouldn't fall on Arians' shoulders alone

 

It's at least the fault of the O coordinator when the QB doesn't know the running plays, the TE/FB doesn't even go to the RB meetings and doesn't practice blocking! Ben admitted to the fact that he had no clue about the running game. Where's that come from? You'd figure if you practiced it a little bit he'd know at least what the plays were.

 

Strummer - I hear that point of view and if the Rooney's didn't fire him then I might be inclined to consider your position. It does have a bit of merit but, it seems pretty clear he wasn't getting the job done. It might be you against the world on this one. I think you make my point in a few ways. One being that if the QB doesn't know the running plays then you better do some reigning in and get him in the loop, a tutor or something.

Whatever. the original question seems to be answered though. If Haley is equally as bad then he'll be getting the same reaction. Under performing players too.

 

Used to travel a bit and I've never been to a city where the home fan base liked their OC.
Ever....

 

Does anyone have a link to this Roethlisberger doesn't know the plays quote?

 

Yeah, I tend to agree with the notion that if when we lose a game the OC, usually, gets his fair share of blame. That goes for most teams not just ours. Here's to going 16 and 0...T. Haley!

 

Have I said thank you Art II for firing BA recently!

 

ultimately, this is mike tomlins team, if ba or ben wasen't up to speed, he should have stepped in and fixed the problem. that's his job as the head coach.

 

No mincing words. #%@&! Bruce Arians and the horse he rode in on.

Most middle school coaches can call a better game based on what is happening, what the other teams defense is doing, and what they are giving you. Todd Haley has already made BA look like a rank amateur. And before anybody spouts off crap about how we won two SB's with him, I'll say yes, and we also had Hartwig at C who got beat out by a rookie the next season and couldnt even get a backup job anywhere else in the league. We won despite BA's bufoonery and this O should be in the top 5 with the talent here.

 

how do you really feel knox?

 

TarHeel, I will agree with you on this. Most intelligent people who know alittle something abot football knew that BA was a total failure as an OC. He was the Bubble Screen King, a play that got minimal yards everytime he threw it.

I can say this, I went up to training camp on Tuesday and watched the offense the whole practice. First thing I notice was that Haley threw the ball to the backs out of the backfield more then he threw it downfield. He also threw a bunch of screens to the RB's but no bubble screens! (NO BUBBLE SCREENS). All of the passes were short and quick. A lot of passes to Brown from Ben but they were quick outs and a few crossing routes, and the ball was out quick. It was nothing like what BA did with the offense. I was very satisfied that things were different and look forward to seeing what the offense will do this year. From what I saw, I can say that I believe they will be much better even without Wallace. They will not be throwing the ball down field over 30 yards a whole lot. Its not suited for Wallace, he will have to adjust and learn how to run percise routes!

Now, (FIRE BRUCE ARIANS IMMEDIATELY)
Thank God he is gone. I look forward to seeing Luck getting sacked 50 times a season as long as BA is the OC!