Arians Retires

TheWanderer · Jan 20, 2012

shaner82 said:

12to88 said:

TerribleTowelFlying said:

Well, I have to admit I'm pretty stunned. I thought he'd be around for another year. Hopefully this will stop everything from turning into a FBAI argument. Hopefully.
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That said: the Steelers have a problem on their hands, now. I didn't like Arians, but now comes the hard part. How do you find a coach who comes in with a clear offensive philosophy that Ben won't resist? Furthermore, how does Tomlin or Colbert or even Art III convince Ben that he needs to change some of the things he does on the field?

The issue is that Tomlin fumbled this from the start by promoting Arians and not getting someone to set a tone, not only with the offense, but with Ben. Now Ben is entering his ninth year, and we're expecting him to change his game. If the Steelers merely promote Fitchner, it's going to be more of the same.
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If Ben resists the changes that a new OC brings in, then the new OC should sit Ben on the bench until he comes around. If Ben doesn't want to be a team player, then as far as I'm concerned he can be cut and can look for employment elsewhere. I'd rather have a mediocre QB than one who refuses to do anything that benefits the team unless he feels it benefits him personally. I have no time for a Terrell Owens on our team.
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there's a good strategy. hire an OC that is wildly unpopular with your franchise qb and then, if your franchise qb doesn't like it, tell him 'tough ****' and bench him.

thank god the fans don't get a vote.

Bleedsteel · Jan 20, 2012

I know this is out of the blue, and probably incredibley unlikely, because I haven`t heard his name come up anywhere, even on this board, but...
Could Charlie Batch be an offensive co-ordinater?
Who better than a qb who has been here for years, to know what we have talent-wise, and to know what works and what doesn`t, offensively?
If you are going to pick someone to call your plays, why not a quarterback, who has actually played the game at this level, and seen how defenses respond to the plays that have been called?
Because he doesn`t come from a "coaching tree"?
Doesn`t have the "pedigree"?
I know it is very unlikely,
But, when I thought of it, I thought, "Why Not?!"
He is smart, everyone seems to want him as a QB coach, why not the Co-ordinater?
Of course, I also feel that the best boss of any company is one who came up thru the ranks, doing the jobs of the people he is in charge of, not one who just went to college, and learned what "should" work, "by the book"...

shaner82 · Jan 20, 2012

Bleedsteel said:

I know this is out of the blue, and probably incredibley unlikely, because I haven`t heard his name come up anywhere, even on this board, but...
Could Charlie Batch be an offensive co-ordinater?
Who better than a qb who has been here for years, to know what we have talent-wise, and to know what works and what doesn`t, offensively?
If you are going to pick someone to call your plays, why not a quarterback, who has actually played the game at this level, and seen how defenses respond to the plays that have been called?
Because he doesn`t come from a "coaching tree"?
Doesn`t have the "pedigree"?
I know it is very unlikely,
But, when I thought of it, I thought, "Why Not?!"
He is smart, everyone seems to want him as a QB coach, why not the Co-ordinater?
Of course, I also feel that the best boss of any company is one who came up thru the ranks, doing the jobs of the people he is in charge of, not one who just went to college, and learned what "should" work, "by the book"...
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You made some good points, but you don't go from production line worker to foreman over night. Like you said, you need to go through the ranks, not jump immediately to the top. There's no indication Batch can draw up plays to take advantage of mismatches. He can coach I'm sure, but can he draw up plays from scratch? Can he call plays? Can he make a game plan for the entire season even before it starts?

Batch may one day make a good OC, but he's not there yet. He needs time to learn the coaching aspect of football first

Blast Furnace · Jan 20, 2012

shaner82 said:

12to88 said:

TerribleTowelFlying said:

Well, I have to admit I'm pretty stunned. I thought he'd be around for another year. Hopefully this will stop everything from turning into a FBAI argument. Hopefully.
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That said: the Steelers have a problem on their hands, now. I didn't like Arians, but now comes the hard part. How do you find a coach who comes in with a clear offensive philosophy that Ben won't resist? Furthermore, how does Tomlin or Colbert or even Art III convince Ben that he needs to change some of the things he does on the field?

The issue is that Tomlin fumbled this from the start by promoting Arians and not getting someone to set a tone, not only with the offense, but with Ben. Now Ben is entering his ninth year, and we're expecting him to change his game. If the Steelers merely promote Fitchner, it's going to be more of the same.
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If Ben resists the changes that a new OC brings in, then the new OC should sit Ben on the bench until he comes around. If Ben doesn't want to be a team player, then as far as I'm concerned he can be cut and can look for employment elsewhere. I'd rather have a mediocre QB than one who refuses to do anything that benefits the team unless he feels it benefits him personally. I have no time for a Terrell Owens on our team.
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When I hear fans say this nonsense I just want to put on those big hulk gloves and pummel them. WE DONT WANT MEDIOCRE QB'S!!!!!! What in Gods name is wrong with you people???? We had mediocre QB's from mid 90's untill Ben got here on teams with talent that blew away what we have on the team now! Blew it away! And how many SB's do we have to show for it??? ZIP! You don't throw away a franchise QB for your flipping OC, that's insanity. Just stop with this garbage.

Bleedsteel · Jan 20, 2012

shaner82 said:

Bleedsteel said:

I know this is out of the blue, and probably incredibley unlikely, because I haven`t heard his name come up anywhere, even on this board, but...
Could Charlie Batch be an offensive co-ordinater?
Who better than a qb who has been here for years, to know what we have talent-wise, and to know what works and what doesn`t, offensively?
If you are going to pick someone to call your plays, why not a quarterback, who has actually played the game at this level, and seen how defenses respond to the plays that have been called?
Because he doesn`t come from a "coaching tree"?
Doesn`t have the "pedigree"?
I know it is very unlikely,
But, when I thought of it, I thought, "Why Not?!"
He is smart, everyone seems to want him as a QB coach, why not the Co-ordinater?
Of course, I also feel that the best boss of any company is one who came up thru the ranks, doing the jobs of the people he is in charge of, not one who just went to college, and learned what "should" work, "by the book"...
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You made some good points, but you don't go from production line worker to foreman over night. Like you said, you need to go through the ranks, not jump immediately to the top. There's no indication Batch can draw up plays to take advantage of mismatches. He can coach I'm sure, but can he draw up plays from scratch? Can he call plays? Can he make a game plan for the entire season even before it starts?

Batch may one day make a good OC, but he's not there yet. He needs time to learn the coaching aspect of football first
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Very few plays have to be "drawn up from scratch"...
Most plays have been done over and over again by every team in the league...
Any OC who can truly come up with a play that hasn`t been seen, in some variation, at some point in time, by some team in the league, would be a "genius", in my book.
#2... I have a feeling, he COULD "call plays", as in, pick the best play for a given situation, to keep the defense off guard, and get the desired result, be it a first down, touchdown, or move the ball and kill some clock, or set them up for a play, later...
#3... I don`t believe ANY coordinater can game plan for an ENTIRE season, not knowing how it is going to play out, with injuries to their own, or opponents teams, or how different teams that are on the schedule, may change their tendencies, from season to season, or during the course of a season...
#4 (Which wasn`t mentioned)... I believe Charlie would do a good job of adjusting to what defenses throw at us during the course of a game... Something that has been sorely lacking, under Arian`s tenure, IMHO...

Bleedsteel · Jan 20, 2012

Tomlin_Era said:

shaner82 said:

12to88 said:

TerribleTowelFlying said:

Well, I have to admit I'm pretty stunned. I thought he'd be around for another year. Hopefully this will stop everything from turning into a FBAI argument. Hopefully.
Click to expand...

That said: the Steelers have a problem on their hands, now. I didn't like Arians, but now comes the hard part. How do you find a coach who comes in with a clear offensive philosophy that Ben won't resist? Furthermore, how does Tomlin or Colbert or even Art III convince Ben that he needs to change some of the things he does on the field?

The issue is that Tomlin fumbled this from the start by promoting Arians and not getting someone to set a tone, not only with the offense, but with Ben. Now Ben is entering his ninth year, and we're expecting him to change his game. If the Steelers merely promote Fitchner, it's going to be more of the same.
Click to expand...

If Ben resists the changes that a new OC brings in, then the new OC should sit Ben on the bench until he comes around. If Ben doesn't want to be a team player, then as far as I'm concerned he can be cut and can look for employment elsewhere. I'd rather have a mediocre QB than one who refuses to do anything that benefits the team unless he feels it benefits him personally. I have no time for a Terrell Owens on our team.
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When I hear fans say this nonsense I just want to put on those big hulk gloves and pummel them. WE DONT WANT MEDIOCRE QB'S!!!!!! What in Gods name is wrong with you people???? We had mediocre QB's from mid 90's untill Ben got here on teams with talent that blew away what we have on the team now! Blew it away! And how many SB's do we have to show for it??? ZIP! You don't throw away a franchise QB for your flipping OC, that's insanity. Just stop with this garbage.
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What team were you watching during the 90`s, that had better talent, than our current recievers, runningbacks, and tight ends?!?!

Blast Furnace · Jan 20, 2012

Bleedsteel said:

Tomlin_Era said:

shaner82 said:

12to88 said:

TerribleTowelFlying said:

Well, I have to admit I'm pretty stunned. I thought he'd be around for another year. Hopefully this will stop everything from turning into a FBAI argument. Hopefully.
Click to expand...

That said: the Steelers have a problem on their hands, now. I didn't like Arians, but now comes the hard part. How do you find a coach who comes in with a clear offensive philosophy that Ben won't resist? Furthermore, how does Tomlin or Colbert or even Art III convince Ben that he needs to change some of the things he does on the field?

The issue is that Tomlin fumbled this from the start by promoting Arians and not getting someone to set a tone, not only with the offense, but with Ben. Now Ben is entering his ninth year, and we're expecting him to change his game. If the Steelers merely promote Fitchner, it's going to be more of the same.
Click to expand...

If Ben resists the changes that a new OC brings in, then the new OC should sit Ben on the bench until he comes around. If Ben doesn't want to be a team player, then as far as I'm concerned he can be cut and can look for employment elsewhere. I'd rather have a mediocre QB than one who refuses to do anything that benefits the team unless he feels it benefits him personally. I have no time for a Terrell Owens on our team.
Click to expand...

When I hear fans say this nonsense I just want to put on those big hulk gloves and pummel them. WE DONT WANT MEDIOCRE QB'S!!!!!! What in Gods name is wrong with you people???? We had mediocre QB's from mid 90's untill Ben got here on teams with talent that blew away what we have on the team now! Blew it away! And how many SB's do we have to show for it??? ZIP! You don't throw away a franchise QB for your flipping OC, that's insanity. Just stop with this garbage.
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What team were you watching during the 90`s, that had better talent, than our current recievers, runningbacks, and tight ends?!?!
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Oh I don't know maybe the ones that had Bettis, Thigpen, Bruener, Dawson, Strzelczk, Faneca and should I even mention the defense??? Ok I will, Gildon, Kirkland, Holmes, Lloyd, Lake, Woodson, Bell, Perry.

How about those players? As for our young money crew, that's just coming together now and I'll agree Heath is better then Bruener but he was a good TE too. The Oline was light years ahead of what we have now and RB? You have to be kidding, Bettis kills Mendy and then there's the defense, I'll take the guys I listed over anyone on this team every day of the week twice on Sunday.

NickSteel · Jan 20, 2012

TheWanderer said:

NickSteel said:

harristotle said:

I love Ben, but I have to agree with you. That doesn't mean you intentionally piss Ben off, but it doesn't mean you kneel at his feet either.
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Agreed 100%. We need someone from outside with a strong personality that will not kowtow to Ben. Someone who knows how to run the ball and how to play to Ben's strengths whilst not making him the focus of the offense. Honestly my vote is for Todd Haley. I give him a mulligan for this year, as injuries demolished his team. He obviously knows how to make something out of nothing offensively, so I would love to see him work with our group.
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"he OBVIOUSLY knows how to make something out of nothing offensively . . . ?" based on what?!?!
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Based on his success with the cardinals offense as their OC as well as his success making the chiefs sorry excuse for an offensive roster competitive in his first year as HC before they imploded due to injuries.

GB_Steel · Jan 21, 2012

Wow. For wanting this guy gone starting four years ago this moment is almost bittersweet for me. I'm glad we're getting someone new in here, but I've know BA as our OC for the past five years and will be weird not hearing about him or bitching about him anymore. I wish him all the best in whatever it is he decides to do now, and I hope that his retirement was on his own accord, especially after Tomlin said he'd be back. Thanks for everything BA, and while it always wasn't pretty, you had some nice moments here.

I hope the new guy doesn't make wholesale changes, but merely makes slight adjustments to situational playcalling and setting up the defenses. Our offense could always move the ball under BA, but just couldn't punch it in.

Wardismvp · Jan 21, 2012

Yes there is a Santa Clause! YiPPEE Thank you Art II

KnoxVegasSteel · Jan 21, 2012

For those of you calling for Charlie Batch to be the OC, all I can say is, seriously? I have to question your general knowledge of football and what coaches even do. CB is not a coach and has no coaching experience or qualifications. He doesn't (didn't) even call the plays when he played, so what makes you think he could gameplan and call the right plays at the right time in the highest level of football there is? Not to mention, I can't fathom the players taking him seriously and not questioning him at every turn. This has got to be the dumbest notion relating to OC that Ive heard yet.

defva · Jan 21, 2012

NO ROONEY FIRED HIS A S S!! :swordsman:

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