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Are Bens days numbered?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I was surprised to see this come from Charlie, not that it can't be true, just don't know why he is saying it. It's one thing for fans to speculate on it but I don't really think players should openly talk about it. Jack and I have had this discussion in the past, that Ben's time in Pittsburgh could be cut short if the Rooneys just don't want him anymore, that's the only way I see Ben not here for another 5 to 8 years, injury not with standing but that can be said of any QB's career. Anyway, I think it's a long shot that they would jettison Ben if he's still playing at a high level but it is interesting they drafted a guy in the 4th with a lot more potential then just being a back up.

    http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/0...ers-drafting-landry-jones-than-meets-the-eye/
     
  2. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Yeah, I saw the Cook article the other day, but didn't post it.

    Here's Batch's comment about Jones being groomed as Ben's possible replacement:

    "Maybe they weren't happy with what they had behind Ben and Bruce. That could be. But ultimately, I think this isn't about replacing me. Big picture, maybe they're thinking, 'Can we develop Landry Jones to be the starter? Maybe two years from now, he could be our guy for the next 10 years.' We don't know. But with the contracts for quarterbacks these days, he'd certainly be a heck of a lot cheaper than Ben at age 34 or 35 or 36."

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...a-batch-full-of-success-685435/#ixzz2RxwysTD3
     
  3. pjgruden

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    It wouldn't surprise me if this is the case. If Jones can play at a level that the front office is comfortable with, why not jettison Ben's monster salary? Do I think he can take Ben's place? Too early to tell. But Ben isn't getting any younger, and his style of play will most likely cut his career shorter than someone like Peyton Manning I think.
     
  4. ScottChab

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    Just because someone is being grommed as his replacement doesn't mean his days are numbered. We clearly don't have an heir to the thrown right now and desperately need one given the beating Ben takes.
     
  5. strummerfan

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    As I said in another thread it wouldn't surprise me at all. The organization's mo has always been to let aging high priced veterans go and Ben fits that perfectly. People can play homer all they want, but Ben is going to want big money in his next contract. I'm sure they will sit back and think long and hard on whether it's better to pay Ben 20+million a year and lose other valuable pieces or to let Ben go and keep those pieces. In my eyes drafting Landry Jones was a calculated move by the Steelers front office and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he's the starting qb in 2015.

    One other thing. People are complaining about Jone's "happy feet". Haley's offense is predicated on short quick passes which if executed properly largely nullifies the pass rush. Assuming they stick with Haley's offense or something similar then Jone's happy feet becomes a moot point as the ball will be gone before the pass rush can physically get there. Jone's has a quick release and is very accurate which will fit Haley's scheme perfectly.
     
  6. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    Ugh...

    To keep it short. No I don't think Landry will be Ben's replacement. That being said, even if I'm wrong... Who cares at this point. Let's wait until A. Landry Jones shows something on the field, and B. Ben is 3 years older and we can actually discuss this.
     
  7. gpguy

    gpguy Well-Known Member

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    I see nothing more than Charlie speculating about things just like all of us do.
     
  8. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    So long as Ben keeps winning his job will not be replaced by the Rooneys. Landry could turn into another Mark Malone for this franchise for all we know. Ben is a doesn't come around very often type of QB here and Landry is a 4th round nobody at this point.
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    This is what I think. There would have to be a serious drop off in Bens play to justify risking cutting him loose. I think people take for granted how hard it is to find franchise QB's, the goals isn't just to win 11 or 12 games but to bring home SB's. Sooner or later you will be asked to thrive under intense pressure, you won't always have the benefit of a game plan going smoothly and getting rid of the ball quickly, Jones will have to improve in that area of his game a lot before they can seriously entertain replacing Ben with him. I definitely think they selected him with that in mind though.
     
  10. Blast Furnace

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    The perfect scenario is that Landry shows enough stuff in practice/preseason to the extent that he becomes a valuable commodity. Why wouldn't we want him to become a great QB? Having said that, even if he does everything right this year, he will not take Ben's place next year (injury aside). But let's look at history. How often has one franchise QB replaced another? I can think of 2: Steve Young replacing Montana and Aaron Rodgers replacing Brett Favre. The Steelers will be lucky if Landry can be that guy.
     
  12. niterider

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    LOL, Landry hasn't even thrown an NFL pass and we're already talking about him replacing Ben. If anything, I'm hoping this starts a fire in the belly for Ben to try harder. To me, Ben was not clutch in game deciding plays this past year like he has been all his career. That magic seems to be dissipating. Maybe this will get his mojo going again.
     
  13. BurgherBoy7

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    Exactly what I was thinking. Also, Batch saying this is just his speculation, but if you look at the facts, this move makes complete sense. We can't go into another season with aging back up Qb's. We will have the perfect combo, If Ben goes down, we lose our franchise QB, but we bring in Bruce who is a guy who can win in this league and hold the fort for a few games. And if by chance Bruce goes down, we no longer have to bring in an almost 40 year old back up who (as much as we love him) can't throw the ball 20 yards any more. Ben is our franchise QB and will remain as such until someone can out seat him. But that wont be happening in the next few years.
     
  14. 12to88

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    :this!:
     
  15. 12to88

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    Actually, I think there is a chance that Landry is the heir apparent. How much if a chance? Hard to say. But I sure would love it if he turns into a stud QB.
     
  16. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yeah you're right, lets just all keep our thoughts to ourselves for the next 3 years until we see how everything pans out with this draft class, we wouldn't actually want to utilize a message board now would we. For that matter, we should't discuss up coming drafts anymore since it's just speculation.
     
  17. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    ABSOLUTELY! I had read a nice article about Landry Jones and he made some comments that I really liked in there, something about not wanting to be a career backup and wanting a chance to start one day and willing to work hard to get there. I thought to myself, YES!!!!! That is EXACTLY what we need behind Ben. I do believe Ben is an almost elite quarterback and the only reason I say almost is because I think he has a tendency to be a little lazy when it comes to film study and preparation. He could be elite if he worked on the cerebral part of his game. But having a young hot shot like Jones come in who has expressed that he will not be satisfied being a career backup may cause Ben to pick it up a notch in areas of his game that need to be improved upon.

    I have another theory about Landry Jones ultimately replacing Ben. I really believe that the Rooneys were infuriated by Ben's behavior in his first few seasons in Pittsburgh. There was his alleged mistreatment of people in the community, waiters and others and his motorcycle accident sans helmet which nearly killed him. Then there was the two straight off-seasons that Ben was accused of rape. It seemed for a while that the three certainties of the NFL offseason was free agency, the draft and Ben being accused of sexual misconduct. The Rooneys have had players get in trouble in the past, but not quite in this way. Ben was the face of the franchise. He was the guy they paid a king's ransom to to lead their football team, one of the most respected and successful in the history of the NFL, for the next decade. And Ben repays them by going out and making a mockery of the Black and Gold and embarrassing the Rooney family.

    This is just my own personal theory, but I believe it may have some merit. Maybe the Rooneys really are starting to think about life after Ben and it MAY possibly come sooner than any of us realize. :hmmm:
     
  18. Fe3CCity

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    Thank you

    I know it's offseason guys but you don't "get rid" of 2 SBs and a 3rd appearance. This is absurd. A QB that will be remembered always for his style and skill. Ben changed the way football is played too. It's over stated on broadcasts but they always bring up, blah blah out of the pocket, sandlot style, great awareness of bodies around him.
    Its dumb to even flirt with the idea of jones seeing the field, willingly by coaches, for atleast 3 years. Personally I hate the pick but I understand why. Was Dennis Dixon being groomed??

    Give it a rest.
     
  19. Steel_Elvis

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    If the Rooney's are contemplating replacing Ben prematurely because of the ALLEGED off the field issues, then shame on them. True championship caliber franchise QBs are one of the rarest commodities in all of sports. The only two substantial issues (the rape allegations) were alleged only, and pretty largely debunked once the facts all came to light. You don't squander a championship franchise QB for unsubstantiated allegations that are years in the past.

    However, if they're concerned about the potential payday for Ben down the road, and whether he will try to hold the team hostage for a contract that makes him the highest paid QB in history at the time, then I can see the logic of trying to draft and groom the next guy. It would be reasonable to suggest that the $20+ million cap hits that franchise QBs are getting these days will make it difficult for their teams to compete with teams who have a young franchise QB like Luck, RG 3, etc, who are still playing under rookie contracts. The QB's cap hit will likely lead to more the more frequent departure of quality players to free agency, and thus more roster turnover. The GMs will need to be "on" in just about every draft to replace the talent that is drained away. I think that a true championship caliber franchise QB is worth it - if you have strong reason to believe that he will continue to play at that level for the term of the contract, such as with the 5 year extension of Rodgers in Green Bay and the upcoming Matt Ryan blockbuster deal. However, Ben will be - what - 33 or 34 for the 1st year of his "new" contract? That's a little bit scary to contemplate franchise QB pay for him through age 37 or 38. If it ends up being $15M/yr, good value. If we're talking $20M+/yr, I'm not sure I do that deal.
     
  20. Blast Furnace

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    I think if Ben was still getting into trouble, drawing negative attention to the organization, it would be plausible that they would try to move on from him but with Ben living the straight and narrow now, I think the Rooneys have to appreciate the effort he has made to turn his life around.

    If there is any truth to this, it's from a financial aspect as you said. Personally, I think Ben will be extended next year because unless Jones pulls a Kapernick, they won't know what they have in him before having to deal with Bens next contract. I also don't agree with the article where it states that Ben is going to be looking to be paid more then Flacco and Rodgers, I think Ben knows how the Steelers operate and will negotiate in good faith to come up with a fair contract. Ben already got his big payday, he's nearing the twilight of his career and don't think he will fight to be the highest paid QB in the league, I think winning more SB's is what important to Ben, he's already said he want's to win more then TB, I'm sure he wants to finish his career in Pittsburgh.
     
  21. pjgruden

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    You make a good point about the escalation of contracts these days. Are players eventually pricing themselves out of a job? I don't know the exact figures, but lets say the cap is $140 million when he's up for renewal. Can a team (any team) honestly afford to have 1/7th of the entire cap wrapped up in one player? I wonder if we will see a point where careers are either shorter or the salaries will stop skyrocketing. One can hope at least
     
  22. AFan

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    I sometimes wonder about Steeler fans. Do fans in NE wish for a replacement to push Brady? Did Indy fans push for someone like that for Peyton? The dissatisfaction about Ben, his 3 yr old off season issues his alleged lack of film study, his hanging in to the ball too long,is sometimes beyond belief. Someday Ben will be gone and you'll get somebody else, odds are very good that regardless of Bens faults the next guy won't be half as good. These are the good old days. No wonder Bradshaw didn't come back to Pitt for 20 yrs.
     
  23. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes, I wonder about Steeler fans sometimes too, especially the ones that don't actually read a post or follow the link, or is it just reading comprehension that is lacking? You and several others have gone off on tangents that have NOTHING to do with the thread, I had to go back and look just to be sure and nope, no one is saying they want Ben gone or that he should be gone. Now if you go back and look, you'll see that it was CHARLIE BATCH who thinks its possible that they brought Jones in to replace Ben due to the exuberant salaries.

    Seriously guys, try and keep up.
     
  24. Badboy212

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    Mark this down-ASIDE FROM INJURY L JONES WILL NEVER BE A STARTER FOR THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS! Stop drinking the river water friends because the guy is a BACKUP and thats all. Ben will be here to finish out his career, and will start EVERY game he is able to.
     
  25. freakfontana

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    so we just drafted a new tom brady ? no because if not i don't want that he will take the ben spot anytime
     

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