Are Ben and Haley Getting along (Article)

Thank you Tomlin! If Haley has a problem it has been his history to show it on the sidelines has it not? There has been NO problem or drama on the sidelines. Why would Ben be complaining about Haley? His passer rating is off the chart. His 3rd down percentage is off the chart. What do you people expect from Ben OR Haley with an o-line that can't stay healthy and running backs that can't stay healthy. Given the hand that Ben and Haley have been dealt this year I feel like they've done a good job. I am so sick of the Ben bashing. It is RIDICULOUS to say that we could do good with another qb or that we'll be better off when Ben is gone. Did Brister, Maddox, Stewart, or O'donnell win you TWO Super Bowls and take you to a THIRD? Nope. Did Brister, Maddox, Stewart, or O'donnell set the ALL TIME passing record for this franchise? Nope. But under your "logic" (if you can call it that) we can just go out and draft just any old guy and he'll come in and take over and we'll live happily ever after and win the Super Bowl every year. If Ben is going out there and playing good as far as I'm concerned he can say what he wants. Besides that this team has MUCH more to worry about than some stupid "journalist" printing things with NO context whatsoever. Lighten up.

 

who cares if they like each other or not? it's there job to win games. let's get to work.

 

I thought that was one of the main reasons people wanted him here, because they didn't want Ben and the OC being buddy buddy, fickle mob [/quote:3amf00ul]
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I thought that was one of the main reasons people wanted him here, because they didn't want Ben and the OC being buddy buddy, fickle mob [/quote:2bvph6s1]

I am not going to get drawn into whether or not there is a clash of personalities TE but I will say that several times tonight we saw "old" Ben as opposed to "new" Ben. He tooks shots down field on third down when all they needed was to hit the first down throw, many of which were open. Did he choose to do that or did Haley call it? We will never know but it did kill drives to take those shots. So if the question is Does Haley have a dink and dunk offense that Ben doesn't like as much as his down field passing game? I say yes but heck it is more effective then letting Ben kill drives by going back to the deep stuff when the first down throws were open.

 

I am not going to get drawn into whether or not there is a clash of personalities TE but I will say that several times tonight we saw "old" Ben as opposed to "new" Ben. He tooks shots down field on third down when all they needed was to hit the first down throw, many of which were open. Did he choose to do that or did Haley call it? We will never know but it did kill drives to take those shots. So if the question is Does Haley have a dink and dunk offense that Ben doesn't like as much as his down field passing game? I say yes but heck it is more effective then letting Ben kill drives by going back to the deep stuff when the first down throws were open.[/quote:3o11d1qo]

Come on Thorn, he doesn't take nearly as many shots down field. Had those passes worked everyone would be saying great call because it would have put a dagger into Cincy even sooner.[/quote:3o11d1qo]

No he doesn't which is why when he does it standout. Yeah we probably would be high 5ing about them had they worked but they didn't and it does draw a nice contrast between old and new. All I am saying is that this game played out in a way that it does add fuel to this debate.

 

Come on Thorn, he doesn't take nearly as many shots down field. Had those passes worked everyone would be saying great call because it would have put a dagger into Cincy even sooner.[/quote:16w4g9yv]

No he doesn't which is why when he does it standout. Yeah we probably would be high 5ing about them had they worked but they didn't and it does draw a nice contrast between old and new. All I am saying is that this game played out in a way that it does add fuel to this debate.[/quote:16w4g9yv]

Have to throw the ball down the field, i have no problem with it.[/quote:16w4g9yv]
It seemed like MOST of the throws downfield were in to the end zone except for the AB one on the sideline near the end. There was the INT and the tip intended for Wallace and another shot down sidelines to the pylon. Any I'm missing?

 

Tomlin I think me and you are the president and vice president of the Haley fan club. LOL. Also we've seemed to have to defend Ben quite frequently on here as well.

 

Yep. And for me the call of the game was the draw play to Dwyer on 3rd down in the 4th. They were TOTALLY expecting pass in that situation. Haley knows our 3rd down efficiency has been gained through the air so to call that play on THIRD was a GREAT call because it was a total curve ball! Also the Rainey TD up the middle basically made a fool out of Collinsworth. Haley plays it like a chess game and I love that! Keeps sending Rainey to the outside and then BOOM bust it up the middle! Checkmate! Also we held the ball for 37 minutes! That's phenomenal. I've not looked to confirm but I would GUESS that we lead the league in TOP. If not we are VERY close surely!

 

"There is a major chemistry issue with the Steelers. Ben Roethlisberger and Todd Haley DO NOT like each other"
--Mike Greenberg, Mike & Mike Show, ESPN Radio

I actualy think if they don't like each other that can be a good thing. I don't necessarily WANT them to like each other. Ben REALLY liked BA and we see how that worked out. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a little "creative tension", as we put it at my POE, in the workplace. You can dislike each other and still have respect for each other. Quite frankly, I don't want Ben and Haley vacationing together and being all buddy-buddy after hours. I think it can compromise the overall success of the team in a sense. So I disagree with Mike Greenberg in this regard, just because they don't like each other does not necessarily mean they have a chemistry problem.

 

I am listening to ESPN radio and Jaws is on there making a big deal about this....I didnt see anything last night that suggested there was an issue betwee Haley and Ben. Not saying they are buddies, and maybe I just was not looking for it, but this is a non issue to me. Our Offense is TEN times better than it was with BA.

 

I agree, you have to take shots down the field. Sure you may kill a drive, but football is a game of deception and you ca;n't be predictable.

 

No QB has liked Haley wherever he has been but all have respected him, so no big deal if Ben doesn't like him. Having said that, writers who are with the team every day say it's a bunch of b.s. that they are having issues. Don't know if you saw it but TTF posted tweets from guys who spend time with the team unlike Greeny and Jaws who's objective is to stir the pot.[/quote:1vdthenc]
I actually LIKE the fact that Haley doesn't CARE if Ben likes him! Haley is paid to draw up plays that will advance the ball and put us in the best position to win games. Not to be adored by athletes. My wife has a lot of people in her family that are teachers and they all say the same thing. It is dangerous for your kids to view you more as a friend than a teacher. In some ways they lose respect for you. That's what they say anyway and maybe Haley feels that way too. Or maybe where he has such an old school mentality he just thinks you oughtta do your job and keep your mouth shut. I love Haley and I will be here for him if he ever needs a shoulder to lean on. Also so will Tomlin_Era as well. LOL.

 

Kurt Warner seems to respect what haley does for the offense. I don't see any issues here, on people looking for an issue.

I was yelling for Ben to thow it to Dwyer on the one INT he tried to force in the endzone into double coverage. Dwyer would have had at worst a 1st a goal had Ben dumped it to him. He was wide open with no defenders near him.

 

No QB has liked Haley wherever he has been but all have respected him, so no big deal if Ben doesn't like him. Having said that, writers who are with the team every day say it's a bunch of b.s. that they are having issues. Don't know if you saw it but TTF posted tweets from guys who spend time with the team unlike Greeny and Jaws who's objective is to stir the pot.[/quote:1hqcup1e]


I did see those tweets and I understand that the national media has a news cycle to fill. If there's no story, make something up seems to be the strategy at times. But I seriously don't care if Ben dislikes Haley. I think it's safe to say that Phil Simms disliked Parcells but they won a Super Bowl together. Ben and BA were too close and I think Ben got too comfortable with him. That's why it always looked like they were discussing dinner reservations on the sideline even when Ben threw bad interceptions during critical times of the game. I don't want Ben getting comfortable with Haley. I think it makes him play with a little more focus and causes him to prepare a little more than he ever has before to execute Haley's gameplan. He'll go renegade on occasion, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but for the most part I think Haley has done a nice job of keeping him reined in and he has taught Ben to take what the defense gives him and not to get too greedy. Ben and Haley can have a lot of success together in spite of the fact that they may not personally like each other.

 

Peter King addressed this in MMQB today as well.

"I think you should watch for chinks in the Steeler offensive harmony. Ben Roethlisberger has been taking little shots at first-year offensive coordinator Todd Haley, and Friday, he told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, "Haley's offense is not a big-play offense. It's kind of a dink-and-dunk offense." Asked about wanting more downfield throws, Roethlisberger said: "There's a guy calling the plays. That's on him." There was a gulf between Haley and his quarterback in Kansas City, Matt Cassel, and now there might be some with Roethlisberger."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... xid=cnnbin

 

i 'm the only one i don't see an argue there ? he was saying we don't go for a big play because haley prefer the dink and dunk , different approach not sure a worst one , i personally prefer the dink and dunk , look what the pats do with a dink and dunk

 

I think that our offense has been much more effective this season. The only team with better offensive time of possession... the 6-1 Houston Texans. We are sustaining drives rather than stalling on a 3rd and short bomb under the Home Run Arians Game plan.

I place the blame for these articles on Tomlin. There is no reason Ben even has to conduct interviews and open his mouth, regardless of his intention. Tomlin needs to put a stop to it. Ban Ben from the Microphone. Of course there are media reporters out there trying to make a story (out of nothing or factual), they are just trying to make a name for themselves. Ben just keeps feeding them little sound nuggets. Come on Ben, just shut up. It's only a matter of time before his teammates get sick of the negative attention and the team self destructs. Tomlin needs to step in and control our prima donna QB.

 

Little shots??? All I see is a QB answering a question about his OC's game plan....drama where there is none in my opinion.

 

i read this sentence about 50 times in 10 different thread this season :roll: