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A Poll about Wallace's signing

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by cajunyankee, Jul 28, 2012.

  1. 1) Before camp Breaks.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. 2) By Pre-season.

    27.8%
  3. 3) By the Start of regular season.

    30.6%
  4. 4)By Game 10 to have a vested season to become UFA.A Pol

    41.7%
  1. cajunyankee

    cajunyankee Well-Known Member

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    We now know wallace's future is most likely on the downside here. I mean What's the chance we sign two WR totalling 17-20 mil a year? He's now playing for a big contract somewhere else AND hoping to remain injury free. I feel he'll now sign by reg season, What say you Steeler Nation?

    Cajun-
     
  2. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    I think he'll be in camp by mid week.
     
  3. Bleedsteel

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    Well....
    It seems that I am not the only one, that thinks Mike, might have a change of heart, based on the message we just sent him.
    I voted that he would sign before the end of camp, (that was about 30% of the vote).
    Another 50% think he will sign before the season starts.
    My opinion is, that if we hadn`t given what he thinks of as "his" money, to A. Brown, he would continue to be stubborn, but at this point, I am HOPING that might be the wake up call he needs.
    I think he would have held out the season, until week 10, if they didn`t sign Brown.
    I am HOPING, this gives Mike the wake up call, he needs, and at the very least, he realizes, no other team is gonna give him big money, if he is percieved as a pouty brat, and doesn`t showcase his talents on the field this season.
    Everyone knows his game is based on speed, and that is the first thing to go, as he ages...
    Edit...
    I just noticed there were only 6 votes cast so far... so I shouldn`t really base my opinion on percentage... LOL :hehehe:
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I voted 'before camp breaks'. This has gone on longer than I originally thought, but I still think Wallace plays for us this year- for the full year.
     
  5. mstng1863

    mstng1863 Well-Known Member

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    I don't want to hi-jack this thread, but, I still would like to know if Wallace signs after Week 10 and reports to play for the last six games to become vested, but the Steelers de-activate him for those six games, is he still vested? I am under the impression that he has to play those last six games to earn this status.

    Thoughts?
     
  6. HinesWardHOF

    HinesWardHOF Well-Known Member

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    if he has to play the last 6 i would play him the first 5.. then de activate his a$$ the last game ... then say bye bye mike
     
  7. mstng1863

    mstng1863 Well-Known Member

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    Love it!
     
  8. Bleedsteel

    Bleedsteel

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    Knee-cap him, and put him on I.R. ...
    OOOps, did I say that out loud,?
    I`m sure there are all kindsa laws in place in the event that his own player, happened to roll up, on his knee, but I don`t know what they are?
    If he gets injured on the field in week 10, when he comes back, and can`t play in the other 5 games, does that still count as 6 games played to get him to UFA status?
    (Or any other game, before he plays 6?)
    Hate to sound this mean about one of our own, but his greedy, childishness, has Pissed Me Off!!!
    I`m thinkin he will get his own just rewards, karma/life just seems to work that way.
     
  9. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    This wouldn't be possible with Wallace...he couldn't be 'deactivated', and he can sit the bench and still have the games count towards his accrued season. Also, the injury stuff...it would only not count towards an accrued season if he was on the PUP due to a non football related injury. Hope that helps.
     
  10. mstng1863

    mstng1863 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, TTF. I admit I was not sure of the rules regarding this issue. Of course, for it to be counted a season, I have no idea why it was decided on Week 11. It should be at least half of the games!

    Everywhere I read, it says that Wallace must play the last six games to become a free agent next year. I know Tomlin has de-actived players before, so that was just my solution. I was hoping to find out the correct information.
     
  11. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I voted after camp, these ball players all have big egos
    and think they can get by on talent alone.I also think that Mike wallace will
    want to prove to potential suitors that he is worthy of a substancial contract.
    Only time will tell, Oh by the way the STEELERS do business their way,
    not by the players or his agent. Omar Kahn is a very good football man
    and the Steelers are lucky to have him.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Voted before camp breaks. I'm shocked that he hasn't reported yet, actually I'm shocked by his whole negotiating tactics in general and why I have been so pissed at him but I guess I'm going the optimist route. This guy has to realize he can't toy with the Steelers this way and come out on top? Doesn't he??? Or has he been dropped on his head one too many times :shrug:
     
  13. HugeSnack

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    From the beginning I've thought he'd hold out until a week or two into camp, and so far I'm mostly still with that. The AB signing has to change things though, I just haven't figured out how. So many "experts", to use the term lightly, say it means there's now zero chance he'll sign, but I just don't see that. Maybe it'll just take longer. We still have the space, and I think there's a chance we really might put a bunch of money into the position for a change. (Ben + Wallace + Brown + a better OL + a decent OC) + 5 years = very good looking 5 years. If we lose Wallace we will still have talent, but not be nearly as special as we would be with him. To have one of those special offenses, like Green Bay, New Orleans, New England... paired with our defense... there would have to be a couple of Super Bowl wins in there.
     
  14. NickSteel

    NickSteel Well-Known Member

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    He will play the whole season. He will be 26 before the season starts. As we have seen he doesn't have much more to his game than his speed, which will start dwindling in a few years. He can't afford to get paid only 900k for this year at what is probably the peak of his earning potential. I would also wager a guess that he has a mountain of debt piled up in anticipation of his big payday.

    We will have a squirrely, scared-of-contact, primadonna playing for this year, then someone will overpay for him. I think he has a worse year this year than last, partially due to the presence of Haley. AB will blow-up as Wallace runs a ton of decoy fly routes.
     
  15. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Well the smart thing would be to be in camp now. Since he shows no sign of taking this road, my guess he will wait until the other extreme, game 10. If he does this, I would leave him on the bench for the last 6 games. I don't promote rewarding bad behavior, and he will be way behind in the offense.
     
  16. NickSteel

    NickSteel Well-Known Member

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    Actually I love this idea. If his holdout lasts through camp and preseason tell him that he will ride the pine the entire season unless he signs before week 1. See how much other teams are willing to pay when you haven't put in any quality football for a season and a half.
     
  17. SteelerHead

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    We want Wallace...we will pay Wallace...we are a better team with Wallace on the field...he'll be at camp.
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Rooney's would never do something so petty and I would flip out if they did. I've been hard on Wallace but it's only because I know we are a better team with him then without him. I don't think he will hold out to week 10 anyway, it would serve him better to sign his tender now and play for a big contract next year.
     
  19. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    Michael Crabtree, anyone?

    He derailed his entire career by holding out into his rookie year. He was hurt for his second training camp, so he didn't have an offseason until his third year. He's a very talented guy that just isn't producing like he should (for some reason).

    Wallace isn't in the same shoes because he's no rookie, but taking real time off can mess with anyone, their career, and how suitors perceive you. Just like he needs to be worried about getting hurt this year before signing his long contract, he needs to worry about not playing this year before signing his long contract.
     
  20. NickSteel

    NickSteel Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it is petty. Why would you reward his behavior in any way? Give him fair warning and if he still decides to put himself before the team then he suffers the consequences. How is that petty? Draws a perfect contrast with the AB signing. If you are a team player you will reap the rewards, but if you put yourself above the team you can expect that you will no longer be treated as part of the team.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Its the definition of petty are you kidding? How does sitting Wallace help the team? Its about winning football games, not teaching a lesson to someone because you didn't like how they negotiated for a new contract. You play him and hope it helps to win games and you ride that as long as you can until he isn't on the team anymore. The only thing I care about and the only thing I ever will care about in regards to the Steelers is them winning games.
     
  22. NickSteel

    NickSteel Well-Known Member

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    Its the definition of petty are you kidding? How does sitting Wallace help the team? Its about winning football games, not teaching a lesson to someone because you didn't like how they negotiated for a new contract. You play him and hope it helps to win games and you ride that as long as you can until he isn't on the team anymore. The only thing I care about and the only thing I ever will care about in regards to the Steelers is them winning games.[/quote:1nmsvhaw]

    It isnt just about Wallace. It helps the team by sending the message that the Steelers will not tolerate shenanigans when it comes to contract negotiation. An extremely valuable precedent to uphold in this era of ballooning contracts. Much more valuable than 6 games from an unprepared, disgruntled, contact-dodging diva.
     
  23. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    It isnt just about Wallace. It helps the team by sending the message that the Steelers will not tolerate shenanigans when it comes to contract negotiation. An extremely valuable precedent to uphold in this era of ballooning contracts. Much more valuable than 6 games from an unprepared, disgruntled, contact-dodging diva.[/quote:22y2r620]

    Naa, they already have set a precedent, they've beaten everyone who has tried this tactic on them, report to camp or we don't negotiate. Anyway, he's not going to hold out to week 10 so it's moot.
     
  24. PWP

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    I still think he gets traded.....I don't think he intends to play until he must for the Tender,at which point he will not try very hard or risk injury basically meaning he has no value for the Team....So why would the Team put up with the distraction with nothing to gain?

    I am sure the Team is talking to Wallace and his agent today and if the Team feels there is little to no chance that Wallace is coming before week 10,,,,the trade will happen this week IMO if we can find a partner.....

    It will probably be ugly a 2nd. rounder at best ,but probably a 3rd. or 4th......We have to think about what's best for the Team and focusing to much energy on a guy who is likely not coming is not smart....Coaches and players are geeting bombarded with Wallace stuff every time they get near a reporter...The media will use Wallace to try and divide the Team.....How much better would you have been had Wallace been here?Ben do you think Wallace could have made that play?Brown do you feel the reeason you got double Teamed the whole game is because Wallace was not out there...You get the point....

    The bottom line is the Team will not be able to enjoy success in peace,and any failures or perceived failures will all result in a Wallace spin......The media is all over the place now and with thee instant Internet stuff it will be to much of a distraction to have your Probowl WR holding out....

    If Wallace is not coming to camp then we need to take what we can get and move on....
     
  25. NickSteel

    NickSteel Well-Known Member

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    No matter what I think we should do if he doesn't report before week 1, I am still of the opinion he WILL report for the start of the season. However, I highly doubt he will be here next year.
     

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