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A Message to Mason Rudolph

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TuRnDoWnForWaTT, Jan 15, 2024.

  1. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I am trying to warn steelers fans that Mason may not be back for the Steelers to try and sign. There maybe other teams
    that will pay him more money and he may feel he fits in better in their system.
     
  2. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    That's actually what I am hoping for. I like Rudolph. He seems like a great kid. He has been a professional the whole way through. Instead of being a malcontent, he worked hard and got better.

    The Steelers have tied themselves to Kenny Pickett, for better or worse. My fear is that Pickett is going to hang around, being just barely good enough to keep his job. I would much rather see Rudolph go someplace where he may get a fair shot to compete. Whether there is a team out there that is going to give Mason that opportunity is the question.
     
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  3. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Mason and his agent do

    Sorta like last year
     
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  4. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    You acknowledge that the whole “open competition” talk was just tongue in cheek with the real writing already on the wall, yet you still pretend that Mason was somehow fooled. MR is a professional of at least reasonable intelligence, he knew that they didn’t draft Kenny first round and pay Mitch what they paid him just to have an open competition. At the same time, how would it have looked to just determine the depth chart at qb before training camp?

    Mason Rudolph is a competitor. He was given the opportunity to compete. Whether he believed the open competition talk was "tongue and cheek" is besides the point. Mason Rudolph did everything he could to go out and win that job. Reports from camp were consistent amongst all the talking heads that Mason was "on fire" during practices. Art II went so far as to say "Don't count Mason out." when asked about the competition by Bob Pompeani. He sure looked better than Trubisky in the games as well. It made no difference. The fact of the matter is that Mike Tomlin made the decision before camp started, and that's what he was going to do no matter what happened. I don't think I have seen a legitimate position battle since Tomlin has been here. He paints the picture of a position battle with a "broad brush" to use his terminology, even though he knows full well what he is going to do beforehand. It is part of the reason he has had so many malcontents over the years. Not only do the players become disgruntled because they feel lied to, but teammates get frustrated as well because they know which player gave them the best chance to win.

    I don’t get your position as a Steelers fan. You seem to be rooting for Mason to dis the Steelers based on emotion and hurt feelings. The NFL is a business, Mason understands that. Returning to the Steelers could very well be what’s in his personal best interest depending on how things go. He knows the team, already has chemistry with his teammates, knows the coaches, has been in the city for 5-6 years, and etc. Even if you’re rooting for Mason personally above the Steelers for whatever reasons, why not allow room for that?

    I'm not sure I get your position either. You yourself say, any talk of open competition is "tongue and cheek". So why would Rudolph want to be a part of another phony QB competition? It is possible to be a fan of the team, yet want what's best for the player. Correct?

    The Steelers drafted him, took him back last year when no other teams really wanted him as 1-2, then gave him a shot to showcase his worth and show that he can play. Tomlin could’ve easily went back to Kenny for the Seahawks and the Ravens.

    Tomlin also could have went with Rudolph before he almost drove the team bus straight off a cliff. Everyone on earth saw how terribly Trubisky was playing. Most of us recognized it before this season. In typical Tomlin fashion, he refused to make any change whatsoever until it was almost too late. Then in magical fashion the team rebounds and he looks like a hero. The reality is, the team wouldn't have been in the situation it was in in the first place, had his decision making not put them there.
     
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  5. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    The only similarity is the fact that he is once again a free agent.

    Variables are different.

    By the way, this is the Pittsburgh Steelers we are talking about. Everything is "sorta like last year" every year.
     
  6. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Tomlin was honest about it from the beginning. He was looking at everything on the resume, not just that preseason. Also, this delusion that Rudolph won the job that preseason needs to go away. It's simply not true. He got a faster start in training camp, which made sense because he had been with the team for four years and Trubisky and Pickett were new to the Steelers. Pickett and Trubisky both had better numbers in the preseason games even though Rudolph got most of his time against weaker competition. Did Tomlin have his mind made up that Trubisky was going to start? Probably, but Rudolph didn't earn better that preseason.
     
  7. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Rudolph was not better than Trubisky or Pickett in preseason last year. I've posted the numbers many times. Spare me the "looked better" nonsense. He was playing against third and fourth stringers and he was still the worst of the three.
     
  8. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Exceptional is a bit much but yeah, he's going to get a much better deal this offseason.
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’m not really sure there will be much interest in him, I don’t think teams are going to be fooled the way the fan base seems to be, he’s being completely overhyped here. No one is signing him to a starting job and most teams probably already have a BU in place. I suppose he could find a team where the BU’s contract is up and could be signed by them but why, they can probably resign their own BU for less and he already knows the playbook.

    I think Rudolph wants to come back here, I still think his best shot at a starting gig is with Pittsburgh but despite what Tomlin said, Im not sure they will want to bring him back and cause that distraction for Pickett. The fans will be chanting for Rudolph the first incompletion Pickett throws. They will probably bring in a different BU who is less of a threat for “competition.”
     
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  10. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    That would be foolish. If they can sign him to a reasonable contract, they should retain Rudolph. They can't just do what works for Pickett. We are past that. If he is going to open the 2024 season as the starter and keep the job, he needs to earn it.
     
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  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    So you’re saying no other BU can bring what Rudolph does? It would only be foolish if they thought Rudolph was a long term answer, which he is not.
     
  12. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    Well yes that's what we would want to see but a 3rd year 1st round pick QB will have to totally shat the bed not to be starting.

    Like it or not he came in and juiced up this offense and won 3 games at the helm. He will get 4 to 5 mill and it won't be a one year deal. Mitch the Pick made some nice money and will cost 4 mill and change to release him so hopefully they can trade him for something. Can't have him under center ever again.

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/mitchell-trubisky-21743/
     
  13. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    No, I'm saying it would be foolish to base their decision regarding what other quarterback they sign solely on what is good for Pickett.
     
  14. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    this.

    or find the BEST FA QB at the best price + don't be afraid to draft again.

    the Q will be: does he want to be here and what does the market look like? We will know soon enough!
     
  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Not at all. You know as well as I do how fast fans will be chanting for Rudolph and the distraction that will cause. Why would you put that pressure on Pickett if you are still hoping for him to be the future and you want to maximize his chance for success.

    Someone here pointed this out a few weeks back and I dismissed it saying whoever they have as BU will have his name called to come in but after thinking about it, that poster was right, it will reach a crescendo with Rudolph. I mean people here are describing his play as outstanding, exceptional, amazing, others have him tabbed as a starter now, better than half the starters in the league.
     
  16. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    What do they say about not being able to stand the heat?
     
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  17. Tiggs99

    Tiggs99 Well-Known Member

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    You can talk such idiocy sometimes in trying to protect Pickett. Mason was playing against 3rd and fourth stringers, but he was also playing with third and fourth stringers.
     
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  18. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    He may not be better than half the starters in the league, but right now he’s exponentially better than Pickett. The Steelers need to make a decision based on what’s best for the team and not whether or not Pickett’s confidence may be damaged if he goes out there and sucks wind again. The best way to keep fans from chanting for Rudolph is to go out there and ball out. Rudolph is now a proven commodity who essentially led this team to three straight playoff wins and had the offense looking like a competent unit so getting him back in the fold would be the prudent thing to do. He’s a good insurance policy in the event Pickett fails, which I’m putting at about 60-40 right now.
     
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  19. Philofarnsworth79

    Philofarnsworth79 Well-Known Member

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    You don't know that he isn't the answer... Rudolph sure was the answer at the end of this season & played like a starter... The fact that you cannot even admit that shows how pointless & biased your opinion is on this subject...
    You Pickett fanboys are exhausting...
     
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  20. Philofarnsworth79

    Philofarnsworth79 Well-Known Member

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    You Pickett fanboys are exhausting... seriously wth are you smoking?
     
  21. Philofarnsworth79

    Philofarnsworth79 Well-Known Member

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    What a condescending remark that the fanbase is somehow 'fooled"... Sane ppl saw it with their own frickn eyes... or maybe the guy that keeps telling everyone how great Pickett is has no business making such remarks... Seriously... Who let Kenny Picketts cousin become a mod team member???
     
  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Truth hurts huh. You think after 3 mid performances against two bad defenses and a Ravens team resting 7 starters is going to wow GM’s. His first quarter of the Bills game was terrible and then after falling behind 21 points they started to move the ball. Thats what sane GM’s will look at during free agency this offseason.

    Have news for you, the offense looking better had to do more with Canada being gone then Rudolph. You saw that in just the first game without him and if not for a blown call, Pickett would have gone over 300 yards that game, something your wonder boy couldn’t do. He had a near 100 rating which we know is the end all be all for you and led the team to its first 400 yard game in about 3 years but you don’t see that because you are completely biased. The only time you show up here is to defend Rudolph, we already established you really aren’t a Steelers fan so stop acting like a child and showing up here stomping your feet every time someone says something you don’t like about Rudolph.

    I’m such a Pickett fan that I just said yesterday that we don’t have a QB that can compete with these guys in the playoffs. Pickett will need to take massive strides next season if he is to be that guy.
     
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  23. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He’s not the answer. What, you think hes another Geno? Ok, what if he is, you think thats the guy? You really dont know football do you.
     
  24. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’m not sure exactly what you’re advocating for, but it sounds like you think that having legitimate competition for Pickett would be a distraction. If he can’t handle having to earn his spot vs. the best other options we can reasonably find, then he’s no NFL QB. Play well and there won’t be chanting for the backup.

    And yeah, some of the takes on Rudolph being a good starting QB are silly, but he did provide the team’s only multi game stretch of competent QB play this season. He also wasn’t alone in having a slow start in the playoff loss. The entire team, top to bottom, crapped the bed coming out of the gate in Buffalo. Typical of the Steelers of this era regardless of who is playing QB. Rudolph didn’t play a bad game overall once he and the rest of the team settled in. He could be looked at by NFL teams in the same category as guys like Heinicke or Brissett. A guy who can be a bridge to the new draftee and/or a solid QB2 (as long he’s a scheme fit). That could get him a contract north of $5 million/year for next year. If that’s his market value, I pay it and jettison Trubisky (I do that anyway).
     
  25. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’m saying it’s an Unnecessary distraction. There is no legitimate competition, if Rudolph can take Picketts job then just cut both right now and find someone else to go into the season with.

    Because of the poor decision to bring Canada back they now have to spend time next season finding out what Pickett can do with a real OC. The door is open a fraction so maximize that potential. We all heard how loud the chants got for Canadas firing, let’s not act like that doesn’t matter.

    Try and bring in one of the guys you mentioned, they are better than Rudolph anyway but without the fan attachment.
     

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