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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by biggbunch68, Dec 4, 2023.

  1. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Trading coaches is very rare, so those stories are silly speculation at best.

    I don't think your premise regarding Pickett is true. They could bench him short term with an eye toward trying to fix him with a new offensive coordinator next season.

    Fields would be a mistake. He has had a few big games, but most of the time, he just isn't a good passer. Also, 2024 is the final year of his rookie deal, so a team trading for him now would have to make a decision about his fifth-year option. After that, he gets very expensive even if he is just mediocre. Pickett still has two years on his deal, three with the fifth-year option. They aren't going to give up on him yet, though I could see them doing more to give him some competition for 2024.
     
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  2. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I don't think he feels obligated, either, but I'm less confident that he was left out of the decision. There was always a good chance he would take Colbert's place, so it made sense to have him in the conversation. Just in his previous role with the team, it made sense.
     
  3. RobertoC#21

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    There is a reason that other teams QB's are being cast off or traded or available for trade and thats because they arent that good!! Why would we trade for another teams bad player? Its like buying a used car, if the wheels are flat, the engine leaks oil or the it simply doenst work, I dont care how shiny the paint job.

    We could have just about any QB in the league right now and this offense would still look like garbage. I have said it before and I will continue to say it until proven wrong. The issue starts at Tomlin, works its way through the horrible coaching stick ( we all know its not a tree ) and what we are stuck with is a bad team. We win games, how?? is it simply luck or what?

    In either case getting back to my original point, we either move on from Kenny through the draft or through a quality trade for a proven QB like Allen, Herbert, Mahomes etc....we dont need any teams hand me downs.
     
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  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    There is a lot of input given during the draft process, there is a video of it floating around somewhere so I’m sure he weighed in on it but he wasn’t hired until a month after the draft so I doubt he had much influence on their decision on whether to draft Pickett or not.
     
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  5. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    This. Many people like to re imagine how thing really went. I keep hearing how great that team was....yet I watch every game, and I can't once remember anyone during that 6, and 10 season saying they were great. Revised History at its finest.
     
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  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Revisionist History. Dude. I was on the old board during that time of the 6, and 10 season, and nobody....I mean nobody was saying how talented we were, and how great we were
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I have watched most of His games. I always watch Chicago. I'd rather have Hot sauce poured in My eyes than get Fields
     
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  8. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    LINE STARTS HERE!!!! LOL
     
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  9. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Same exact things said about Trubisky. Its not that the Bears can't coach a Qb.....it's that the Bears can't draft the right one.
     
  10. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure it will be a very long line. With shouts of....let Me pour 1st. LoL
     
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  11. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    The yellow hot sauce burns most worstest
     
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  12. The Sodfather

    The Sodfather Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking at next year's draft. And unless they swing some big deal to move up, they are likely picking a career back-up or a camp arm. Scribe says it's more financially prudent to avoid Fields because his rookie contract will be finished. Fine. But, they need someone to come in as a possible starter if Pickett doesn't improve which my gut is telling me is a distinct possibility. Who then? Minshew? As long as it isn't someone that's bounced around the league like Mariota or Mayfield, vets that will make too much and hinder them to sign quality free agents elsewhere, then that's acceptable. We desperately need a center and another guard. Plus a stud on the defensive line, corner, etc.
     
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  13. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Ok… I didn’t want Fields. Now I do!
     
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  14. steel machine

    steel machine Well-Known Member

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    I certainly hope you listen after a win too;)
     
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  15. SGSteeler

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    For sure. Its fun to speculate but not realistic of course.

    Potentially yes, but what we decide to do in the offseason will say a lot. We could try to "fix" Pickett, but it will take more than just an offseason with a new OC. This is another thing I think really leans well towards throwing some cash at Cousins. Kenny could sit next season and get a ton of work with a new OC and QB coach, he would get to learn from a QB who he could aspire to have a career like, and also we could get better play in the short term with the end goal of getting Kenny ready to go for the season or two afterwards. We'd sign the 5th year option after he sat for 2 and then gave him his true "tryout" for a contract. Not sure we'd do it, but it would be an all around win IMO.

    And yeah, I would be VERY cautious with Fields. He hasn't been a good passer, but he's been better this year for sure. His teams have been ATROCIOUS, and there could be a bit of optimism that he would excel with a better running game and just better overall weapons at his disposal. We would also have to live with him running as well, as I think that is what makes him dangerous. His floor is a guy who throws for 200 a game and can chip in on the run game, and his ceiling is poor man's Jalen Hurts? I don't know that its not at least a decent idea. The worst thing that can happen is he's trash and we sit him for a bit and cut him. I guess it will really depend on the person we tag as OC. If they like the more athletic dual threat guy, Fields could be a legit option.
     
  16. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Like I said. There will be along line waiting to pour hot sauce in My eyes. LoL
     
  17. AFan

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    If you’re sitting a 26 yr old QB for “a season or two”, you’re admitting that you missed big time picking him in the first round.

    Picketts extended college experience was supposed to mean he’d catch on quick, he was “NFL ready”. Not that he’d have to sit and learn in year 3.

    if that’s the plan, cut bait and stop hoping that his parachute opens.

    As Blutsrsky said: “Seven yrs of college down the drain, might as well join the F’ing Peace Corps”.
     
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  18. Animus

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    I'm perfectly fine with nuking next season, and drafting a QB in 25. The trajectory of this franchise is just stagnant atm. We need some sort of short and long-term plan and this most recent retool/rebuild has been a bust.
     
  19. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Only in a Slash role.
     
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  20. Arch Stanton

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    The Steelers have never had any success with a QB that started his career somewhere else, because we always get the ones that suck. If we could acquire a guy like Herbert, Allen, or Trevor Lawrence, then maybe things would be different. That will never happen though, unless it's by the time they're all washed up
     
  21. Steelresolve

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    I don’t understand. Wasn’t the defense liaded? On offense we had Ward, Randle El, Plaxico and Willie Parker. Pretty solid Oline. We got Milker the following year.
     
  22. The Sodfather

    The Sodfather Well-Known Member

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    Problem is, instead of trying to put more toys around Ben his last three to four years, they should have been rebuilding the offensive line. At least that much would be settled.
     
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  23. SGSteeler

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    That was in reference to a poster that said that benching Kenny might not mean we are giving up on him. Which, is theoretically true. I was planning out a scenario where what I want (Cousins as the starter in 2024) matched that plan. I personally think Kenny shouldn't start another game for us, but we both know that isn't going to happen.

    Being in college longer doesn't make you NFL ready... its just a talking point. Kenny had solid tools and if he learned the NFL game above the neck, he would be a good NFL starter. He hasn't and at this point, won't. Its too far into his career to think he is still going to learn. Age means nothing for a while because COVID kept a ton of college athletes in school for 5-6 years. Look at the QB crop coming out this year... Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr. will be 24 before they even put on an NFL uniform. So will Joe Milton. Jayden Daniels will be 23. None of that means they are more "pro ready". They are still developmentally college QB's, just like Pickett was.

    Some guys take longer (see Allen, or Hurts) but they have to have had some level of development to get there. They didn't struggle for two full seasons, then blow up. They gradually got better over time then finally were there. Kenny has just struggled. No reason to think he's going to be better next year than he was this year. A new OC can put him in better positions to succeed, and call plays that make him look better than he is... but the OC can only do so much.
     
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  24. Animus

    Animus Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree. It was a half-assed short term fix that is nuking us now. Feels like the franchise is at a crossroads this off-season. Do we continue doing insanity or do the Stillas do a hard reset, which involves some tough decisions that the bulk of us will be upset when they're done. This squad is closer to the Bears, in terms of talent, than the Chiefs.
     
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  25. Formerscribe

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    Minshew would be a good option if they want a veteran at a reasonable price to come in and compete with Pickett.

    Center may not be addressed in the first round, but it has to be the top priority. Cole cannot be their starter again next season.
     
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