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8 first rounders

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by bigbenhotness, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    thats 8 first rounders on D. Keith better do something with it.

    Watt
    Dupree
    Heyward
    Haden
    Edmunds
    Fitz
    Bush
    Barron
     
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  2. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Get off his back! He doesn’t have the complete set quite yet.
     
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  3. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    You forgot Artie Burns
     
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  4. santeesteel

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    I hope the coaches continue to......
     
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  5. Kolbassi

    Kolbassi Well-Known Member

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    must be your difference makers/ game changers, many of these are not.
     
  6. FeedTheMachineFTM

    FeedTheMachineFTM Well-Known Member

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    Could you imagine what the hoodie could get done with these guys ,,:hmm:
     
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  7. Thigpen82

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    Yep.

    Remember that DHB was a first round pick. It’s no guarantee of HOF calibre play.

    That said, Butler seems unable to put his players in a position to succeed. He is an atrocious strategist.
     
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  8. SteelinOhio

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    But when he does, he'll get the bonus engraved fork and spoon.
     
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  9. mytake

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    The Steelers great defense of the 1970s only had 2 starters that were #1 picks, Joe Greene and JT Thomas. They drafted #1s cornerback Dave Brown, who didn't pan out, but had a decent career in Seattle, and Ron Johnson, who was decent cornerback in the 80s. They also drafted Robin Cole #1 in 1977, who was a good linebacker after the Super Bowl years. We have gone from LeBeau to Butler. A comparison would be Bradshaw to Malone. HOF to average.
     
  10. shaner82

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    For me, it's more so the picks we've been making and the rationale for doing so. The Jarvis Jones pick was a disaster the second they made it and all the red flags were there. Artie Burns was the same thing. Ziggy Hood had upside for sure, but they drafted him to do stuff he had never done before. System is everything in the NFL.

    It's not just that they missed, but they swung at pitches that weren't anywhere near the plate. Some of those picks were head scratches when they were made. I just don't understand why this team does some of the things they do.
     
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  11. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    Watt/tuitt/hargrave/cam/ola/fitz/haden/nelson. Thats more than enough playmakers even for a terrible DC
     
  12. Formerscribe

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    Sorry for the tangent, but it's not really that Brown didn't work out. The Steelers lost him to the Seahawks in the expansion draft before the 1976 season. They had so much talent that they couldn't protect everybody they wanted to keep. They had Mel Blount and Thomas ahead of Brown at cornerback, so he didn't have much opportunity as a rookie in 1975, his only season with the Steelers.
     
  13. Smitch89

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    That's honestly amazing. Butler is even worse than I thought
     
  14. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    he is bad. he over complicates things and he only confuses himself lol. Probably does what i do in madden and does punt blocks or fg blocks in first down lol
     
  15. Smitch89

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    He prob reads this and he'll read that statement and be like hmm that's not a bad idea.. He prob gets all his ideas from Madden.. He doesn't take into account that real life ppl don't glitch like on a video game though lol
     
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  16. mytake

    mytake Well-Known Member

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    Scribe, you are correct. As I was typing about Brown, there was something in the back of my mind about this.
     
  17. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    lmao

    aggressive teams that aren't afraid to go for it on 4th and inches beat butler. Teams our defense looks elite against are those tail between the leg coaches kicking a fg down 3 scores lol. Not sure any coach would kick a fg down 20-0 though
     
  18. BehindEnemyLines

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    How much of this garbage defense is on Tomlin versus Butler? If we are going to distribute spankings each week and had ten whacks with the switch to hand out, how would we allocate? I feel like we have this conversation about Tomlin vrs OC/DC every week. It can be Haley/Fichtner or LeBeau/Butler.
     
  19. blackandgoldpatrol

    blackandgoldpatrol Well-Known Member

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    9 1st rounders when you include artie burnt...... and a 2nd rounder in tuitt with 1st rd value
     
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  20. Roonatic

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    The fg & stating he wasn't ready are not the standard. How can he expect the team to buy in when he doesn't?
     
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  21. KMM

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    I wrote it in the other tread but I'm not positive that this points to poor talent development as much as poor talent evaluation, meaning drafting. As evidence have any of the past draft failures gone somewhere else and really contributed? Not that I can think of. Not Jarvis, Senquez, Doran, whoever. None of them have done jack squat, so if it's coaching than no one else is doing much better either.

    Now shaner82 countered that if you don't get that early development that later development is highly unlikely. I see the argument but not sure I agree. We can all certainly name some players that improved significantly with a change of scenery.
     
  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Only Jarvis was a first rd pick though. Sequenz was a 3rd and his problem was injuries and Doran was a 4th.

    Jarvis
    Burns
    Bud (incomplete)
    Edmunds (incomplete)

    Jarvis and Burns definitely busts
    Bud most likely, I’m being generous with the incomplete
    Edmunds I still have hope for, only year two and you can see his upside.

    Is that all bad evaluation or bad coaching/development?

    I’ll chalk Jarvis up to bad evaluation but the others should be better players IMO.

    They never should have held onto Butler. Player development aside, his schemes suck.
     
  23. KMM

    KMM Well-Known Member

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    Where they were drafted is not part of my argument. It really doesn't matter. My point is that if its the staff's fault that these players never developed than certainly some other team could have turned them into a serviceable player, but that doesn't seem to be the case. None of these guys are in the league at all as far as I can tell.

    As always the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. If production = talent x coaching, then it doesn't take much below of each to equal very poor production since they're multiplicative.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    It’s part of mine. The further away from the first rd the more of a crap shoot it is. I’m not bothered by players like Sequenz and Doran not planning out. Your first rds need to be hits.
     
  25. Roonatic

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    Much more true before the rookie salary cap.
     

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