Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by AskQuestionsLater, Jan 17, 2022.
Willis is less of an NFL starter than Desmond Ridder, who is a project at best. Stay away
Willis, Ridder, Strong (winning me over more and more), Howell, Corral, Pickett are all first rd worthy.
This second rd talk is rubbish. The class isn’t nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
Willis and Ridder probably deserve to be bottom of the first rd because of their inconsistencies but Willis won’t go that low due to raw talent and upside.
Strong and Howell are the only ones possibly worth a first
You really need to see more of Pickett if you think that. Howell has the stronger arm, but it is Pickett who was consistently reading defenses and making all of the throws this past season.
I watched Pickett all year. He’s Taylor Heineke
He's a Conference USA quarterback who only started one season? You're funny.
Heinicke was a lesser player against lesser competition in college.
Heineke has developed since college, obviously. Pickett will be a decent QB who could float around the league as one of those not quite bad but not quite good type of QBs that end up carving out a decent career being a bridge QB. Heineke, Bridgewater, Fitzpatrick tier.
That's not entirely true. Heinicke may have played in a lesser conference (ACC blows pretty hard too though), but he had 3 pretty prolific passing years in that conference. Pickett had 3 middling years followed by a surprise breakout year where he looked awesome. If he came out after the 2020 season he likely would've gone undrafted, but now he's being talked about as the top QB in the draft.
I don't think its entirely crazy to pump the brakes on Pickett as a sure fire signal caller in the NFL. He showed a bunch of talent this season and very well could be an excellent NFL QB, but he's hardly a sure fire pick. I like the kid and would be happy if we drafted him, but I think your original statement was a bit off imo.
My bad. I made the mistake of trusting sports-reference.com, which only has his statistics at Old Dominion for 2014. I'm not sure why because they made the switch to FBS in 2013.
That said, he was an undrafted free agent for a reason. He didn't even make an NFL roster until late in the 2017 season, three years after his final year at ODU.
There are no quarterbacks who are absolute locks in this draft, but to say Pickett is the same level of player coming out of college is comical.
The ACC still offers a hell of a lot better competition than anybody ODU faces. Pickett had shown talent in the past. He simply didn't put it all together until his final season. Joe Burrow did the same thing, albeit against superior competition.
Willis is a better passer than Jackson. Jackson is a much better runner.
Pickett is no where near as good as Burrow
Draft Howell and his partner in crime
Howell, strong, pickett, corral, zappe. Would be happy with any of them but wouldn't throw them right in the fire.
Please show us this evidence that Willis is a better passer than Jackson. Keep in mind which one of them won a Heisman Trophy and which barely got on the field when he was at a major college program.
Please show me the post in which I suggested otherwise. I'll give you a hint. It doesn't exist.
You made the comparison, dingus
A kid named Pierce Clarkson will be the next Lamar Jackson at Louisville the number one dual threat QB will probably start the 23 season.His dad is a QB coach in California and trained Big Ben when he was early in his NFL career. But his dad purchased 13 bill boards around town to announce his son coming here. I’ve never seen this before. I hear about Ohio State football players getting 2 million in NIL money. Dark times for college sports. I think the correct way to go about it would be to pay every athlete a modest weekly allowance.
I'm sorry. I didn't realize that my point was too complex for you to follow. Would you like me to try to use smaller words next time?
I never suggested that Pickett is as good as Burrow. What I did point out is that sometimes a college quarterback doesn't put it all together until his final season. That doesn't mean the growth isn't legitimate. I used Burrow as an example of such a player. He was only average until his final season at LSU, but the ability he showed his final year in college turned out to be real. The same could be true of Pickett, though what he showed his final year at Pitt wasn't as good as what Burrow showed at LSU.
No, I understood what you were saying. But it is worth pointing out that the level of play Pickett reached was far below Burrow.
That you feel the need to post that suggests you actually don't understand what I was saying. You think my point was that Pickett is as good as Burrow was coming out of college. He's not, and I doubt he will be as good of an NFL quarterback.
My point was that it is possible for a quarterback to be mediocre until his final year of college ball, then have a breakout season and it isn't a fluke. Burrow is a great example of that.
Not surprising you're not getting this. Pickett improving =/= he's good. Burrow was good at Ohio State but was beat out by Dwayne Haskins. Pickett was pretty meh until this past season where he became decent. He's getting hyped because it's a down year for QBs and he's the first decent QB Pitt has seen in like 15 years, so the fans are going crazy about him, on top of Ben no longer being here making him a hometown option.
For what it’s worth.
right now Howell and maybe Pickett, as projects to develop for future trade or future back ups to a real franchise QB in next years draft or a future draft. Right now, I dont see any of these guys as a long term solution at QB,
If Howell and Pickett are off the board I would not spend a pick on a QB this year. I know people like Carson Strong, I think he really is a good passer, but his mobility and longevity questions disqualify him, we could use that pick on so many other needs
as of right now, pre combine, for me its Howell or Pickett or no QB and spend on OL, DL, DB, ILB, WR