2001 championship game on now on NFL Network

With the Kordell debate hears a chance to watch and really remember how we were 9.5 point favorites at home and lost.

Cajun-

 

Thanks, I just put it on right around when Brady got hurt.

-Our CBs are having a rough game as always, but that was a sweet hit by Scott on Bledsoe and a good no-call by the refs. The Pats were screaming for a late hit, but he was still 100% on the field. How did he not learn his lesson from the Mo Lewis hit?? It had already cost him his career with the team he just signed a 10 year contract with, and he's still just hanging out within 5 yards of the sideline, just assuming no one will hit him.

-I guess we can scratch that first INT, since it was a hail mary. I'd forgotten about that. Here I'd been saying his two INTs at the end were while finish leading a comeback he never should have needed, but I didn't question the first. And yet every article just completely leaves that fact out and says he has three INTs on the day. Did I already miss the fumble? Oh, there it is. Boy that sucked. But absolutely not Kordell's fault. The right guard (Kemo's big brother?) clearly slaps the ball right out of his hands as soon as he has the ball. He slaps it hard, right on the ball, before Kordell has a chance to pull away. I hope you have a DVR, because they got a great shot of it. Down to two Stewart turnovers for the game, both within the last 2 minutes.

-I had forgotten about the challenge situation. If I'm remembering right, we won our two challenges and then got screwed later, but were out of challenges. I can't remember how we got screwed though. Looking forward to that, if they show it. Oh wait, it's the forward lateral on the FG return, isn't it? Or maybe there was even another one. Damn, they called Zereoue short of the goal line? Didn't really matter I guess since Bettis scored, but holy hell refs.

-God I miss Kreider.

-Yep, that first INT was just an overthrow by a foot or two. Second one overthrown by a couple more, forcing it in.

I'm not really making excuses for the INTs themselves, except to say that when you're trying to come score a game tying touchdown with 2 minutes left, it gets harder. The defense knows what you're doing and is ready, and you as a QB have fewer options and sometimes have to force the ball. The main point I'm making, and have been trying to make, is that prior to the last 2 minutes, he hadn't turned the ball over at all. We were down 24-17 instead of being up 20-10 because of special teams. If we show up with even an average, typical, every day special teams performance, Kordell finishes the game with only the fumble caused by a teammate and an INT on a hail mary, and 20 offensive points. It might not be flashy, but it would have been and should have been plenty good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. The INTs are a failed comeback attempt, not the reason we lost the game. And it was a comeback he didn't deserve to have to make.

 

Hail mary INT, throw that one away. But the fumble WAS on Kordell and not the OG. Rewatch as it was fumbled on the hike from center. Kordel just fumbled it.

That last int was on him and really hurt us.

Cajun-

 

Who was he throwing it to?

 

That was the killer, typicap bad pass from Kordell.

Cajun-

PS. Loved watching Gildon again though!!

 

He didn't fumble the snap immediately, It hit his hands and he held it normally, like every other play. The RG swats it right out.

I'm not watching on live television, I'm like 20 minutes behind. Feel free to ask live questions, but I can't participate.

 

TTF, am I missing something? I saw a bad exchange from center to QB and snack sees a RG smacking the ball out of kordells hands. Help!

Cajun-

 

I'd love a second opinion too. He does it with his left hand, almost immediately. The depth perception is a little tricky (it might look like his hand is just in front of the ball), but you can see how close he is to Kordell from the other angles (composite camera angles! TTF you gotta love this! ) You can also see how close he is by looking at his other hand. He is doing a swim move past Kordell, and with his left knocks (slaps) it clean out. Looks like his name is Tylski. I don't really remember him, but I know we drafted a RG in the first round about 3 months later.

 

And now, with the benefit of hindsight, we know what that goofy stuff was. The Cheatriots knew what the Steelers were going to do before the ball was snapped. Makes it pretty easy to anticipate the play and always be in the right position, doesn't it?

Huge Snack and TTF and others watching the game, does it appear that the Patsies had been spying on the Steelers and had stolen their signals?

 

Who can tell? We know that they were, but it's not like you can see it on a play to play basis.

I always compare it to Barry Bonds and steroids. You know it helps, but how do you know which home runs would have been home runs anyway, and which are thanks to the juice? So you can't just overturn victories for the SF Giants or the Patriots, but they all deserve asterisks in my opinion.

 

YOU DA MAN TTF!!!!!!!!

Good eyes snack, Kordell fumbled the snap for sure but the RG definately knocked it clear and away. Belicheat had a good game plan trying to stop the run and force Kordell to win it.

Anyways, one thing is for sure,,,,, TTF is da MAN!!!!!!!

Cajun-

 

I don't want to get too nitpicky and ruin the (almost) closest thing you and I have ever had to agreeing, but I'm not sure that's what TTF said. I agree with him, but I still wouldn't call it Kordell's fumble. Like TTF said, I think he hadn't finished securing the ball; he was adjusting it, like he and every other QB probably do every single snap of every game, and while he was doing that Tylski swatted it out by mistake. Hard to blame Tylski too, since he was just trying to pull as fast as possible, and while it's his job to watch his feet and not step on Kordell's foot, I doubt he ever imagined he'd have to watch his hands. I think it was just a freak accident.

 

I think it was more of a "perfect storm" type of thing. Kordell clearly didn't get a good grasp of the ball from center and I think that slowed him in dropping back and the RG was very quick in his pulling to the Left. I agree in not blaming Tylski since he was doing his job and it was up to Kordell to get the ball AND get out of the way.

Can we agree on this, TTF has the best board on the internet.

Cajun-

 

I wouldn't know. I don't go to other boards.

I agree Kordell didn't have a perfect grasp, but I think that's the case a lot. QBs are constantly adjusting the ball in their hands. It never comes from the center perfectly. I don't think there's any way it would have been a fumble if it hadn't been slapped out.