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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by francobettis, Nov 22, 2021 at 2:49 PM.

  1. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    There are some clips of him blowing guys away this season. He just doesn't do it nearly often enough. I think you would see it a lot more at guard.
     
  2. SpeedyMikeWallace

    SpeedyMikeWallace Well-Known Member

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    ? Green has absolutely improved. For the 5000th time, he's completely new to the position. He didn't play it in college. He's still learning how to play it as a basic level. He can only go up from where he is, and where he is all things considered is pretty decent. Green will be C next year. And probably in 2024 as well. Then we can truly evaluate him
     
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  3. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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    I haven't seen those clips but have seen clips of him getting put back on his heels. Maybe G is where he needs to be as you say. Not having to think about the snap should help him.
     
  4. woofermazing

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    The team probably thought they were a player away from a Superbowl after last year and the 11-0 start. Pretty sure we are just one player ahead of being dog ****.

    We have so many holes, but if we don't build a serviceable o-line, we are going to waste Najee's rookie contract.
     
  5. SpeedyMikeWallace

    SpeedyMikeWallace Well-Known Member

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    I think the team had one foot in a rebuild and one foot in a Ben farewell tour
     
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  6. Maddog78

    Maddog78 Well-Known Member

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    You're basically saying repeat what they did this year with more holes to fill. No thanks.
     
  7. MadtownDruankard

    MadtownDruankard Well-Known Member

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    How is that? We ignored our holes and hoped for the best last offseason. We plugged RB and TE and prayed the others would be good because they were starting ready or not. We came into this year with the plan to start a 3rd and 4th round pick on the O-line and gave them NO competition. I'm saying we need veterans on the O-line if we can't draft a stud OT. IMO these two rookies are backups at least for the next few years. We need talent on the O-line but there's not a lot we can do when you don't actually have one good linemen. Obviously the line won't be elite but I'd be happy with avg. I have serious questions about the coaching these guys are getting up front.

    We did nothing to improve depth on defense last off season and it's killing us again. Two or three years in a row we had a great defense just fall apart with injuries. SS has always been a problem imo as Edmonds has been disappointing at best. Add quality depth to challenge some of these mediocre starters and address the key issues on the roster and you have a legit contender. We need to replace Haden and Edmonds. We need a #1 WR. We need a better O-line, we need depth on the DL, and we need to get production out of our LB's not named Watt. Holes everywhere. You can only sign a couple FA starters and you can only expect 2 rookies to start.

    What else do you suggest? We have holes you have to fill them. I'm talking in reality not Xbox football. We can only do so much to over haul a team in one off season and you have to expect player development. There was NO progress this past off season from anyone. I cannot think of one player who has shown development his past off season. That falls 100% on the coaching. The only play makers on this team outside of Watt and Heyward are rookies. Not a single playmaker at WR. Not one in our secondary. We have Harris and Pat. Dotson was the only guy on the line doing his job. I believe Trai is a FA so we need an OG and lets be honest Trai is not a starter anyway.

    As for the QB...sure if there's an upgrade that we can afford let's make the change. The draft is not going to provide a franchise QB this year. Haskins will never be a starter. Mason is a career backup. I think a new OC with an actual NFL offense is a good start. Give Ben a running game behind an improved line and an actual play maker at WR and our offense would be fine. We draft a rookie QB then expect him to ride the bench and we will need to ignore other huge holes. Like WR, SS, OT, Corner, LB, and DT. pick your poison I guess.
     
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  8. MadtownDruankard

    MadtownDruankard Well-Known Member

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    The offense has two NEEDS.... O-line and a #1 WR. WR's are usually very safe picks in the first 2 rounds. It's stupid to break the bank on a FA here. Good OG's can be found in FA relatively easy and I think it's a good FA class for OG's and OT's.

    The defense works when we have the personnel. As soon as Alulua went down things got bad because we have no depth on the D-line. Maybe Buggs develops but I'm not a fan. Losing our only playmaker on defense - Watt, produced what we saw last week. We have no choice but to live with Highsmith and Bush next season. All we can do is improve the depth behind them . A pass rush specialist to rest Highsmith and possibly take his job is all we can hope for. We desperately need something from our LB's not named Watt. Thinking Spillane was a suitable back up to Bush was idiotic.

    I believe Haden, Witherspoon, and Edmunds are UFA next season. That's almost $20m free'd up between the three of them. Hopefully we can sign a good corner and/or safety. There's a ton of good secondary players in the FA market. Theres a few really interesting prospects in the draft. Rookies typically take a couple years to develop in the secondary, unless there's a can't miss rookie I'd look to FA. I think there's maybe 2 or 3 players in the draft that can be considered can't miss at Corner and SS (Hamilton, Stingley JR, and maybe Booth Jr)

    Ebron, JuJu, and Turner are also FA's. That's another $17M on top of the $18M freed up from our defensive FA's. We have more $ to spend then normal so I think you can afford to play it safe in the draft and target the best players available vs need. We could also afford a quality FA as much as I hate doing that. But IMO free agent O-linemen and D Linemen are usually safe bets. We could fix our depth problems w/ FA's and draft some playmakers like a WR, and LB. If Ben goes then his salary could go to a FA QB . I don't believe in any of the rookie Qb's and I think I'm not alone in that opinion.
     
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  9. SteelerGlenn

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    I don't believe there's any cap savings on JuJu and Ebron.
     
  10. MadtownDruankard

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    Well would still have $ to sign a starter and improve the depth were it's needed. We can probably restructure some deals as well. Ben's $ can be spent on him or on a FA. To be honest I think it's an obvious time to make a coaching change given our current roster situation and lack of progress from anyone on the team this season.
     
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  11. Maddog78

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    I think they thought Green and Moore were good enough

    Ingram? Schobert? The starters have been more of a problem, and now we're paying for trading Ingram.

    As for the QB...sure if there's an upgrade that we can afford let's make the change. The draft is not going to provide a franchise QB this year. Haskins will never be a starter. Mason is a career backup. I think a new OC with an actual NFL offense is a good start. Give Ben a running game behind an improved line and an actual play maker at WR and our offense would be fine. We draft a rookie QB then expect him to ride the bench and we will need to ignore other huge holes. Like WR, SS, OT, Corner, LB, and DT. pick your poison I guess.[/QUOTE]

    We're in agreement here except I think Pickett can be the future QB if he falls to them. I think it's going to take several offseasons to fill all the holes, and by that time feature back will probably be another one, though those are easy enough to find.
     
  12. DukeDukeDaDaDa

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    Here's a thought, maybe draft guys who actually played center and not assume you can convert every player from college.
     
  13. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    I would say this organization is both a fraternity and a business. The Rooney's are an ownership that makes most of it's revenues from the team whereas for much richer owners the NFL team is a side arm so they're more willing to take risks. I'm sure AR2 looks at his profit margins more than we'd like to believe. That's where the don't rock the boat and stick with stability attitude comes from. Even if it means no championships ever again under this coach, mediocrity is still better than the unknown in his mind.

    I mean honestly even if we had a great healthy team, does anybody think that Tomlin could guide that team to a championship? I sure don't. And I think deep down AR2 knows this too, but it's not worth the risk.
     
  14. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    Keith Butler is so bad. I cringe whenever that guy speaks on TV. What annoys me is we seem to be forever stuck with this Dick Lebeau lineage nonsense. Get a bona fide defensive tactician to make the most of what we have already!
     
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  15. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    They don't need 3 new starters on the OL, they aren't going to give up on Moore and Green after one year, those guys will improve in their second year.
     
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  16. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    He did have 4 starts at center in college.
     
  17. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    4 starts does not make a sure bet.
     
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  18. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I read that they liked his athleticism, probably why they passed on Creed Humphrey in the second round.
     
  19. SteelHack

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    I don't like any of the 2022 QBs and hope they avoid them all

    I like OL early and often.. any
    2 of these guys will fix this ljne

    Dewan Jones
    Kenyon Green
    Nicholas Petit-Frere
    Zion Johnson
    ikem Ekwonu
    Evan Neal

    Go after Jason Kelce from the Eagles to play center In case KG can't add some anchor

    Maybe bring Trai Turner back

    Then go after the middle linebacker of your choice

    If Big Ben comes back I accept him with open arms if he hangs it up I throw all the money at Rogers after that I'll just ride with Mason and Haskins for a year and draft a quarterback in 2023


    HACK
     
  20. Thor

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    There isn't. Both have four void years extending past this season. JuJu signed for $8MM, which was $1MM in base salary for 2021 and $7MM in prorated bonus. To minimize his cap hit for 2021, the Steelers made it a five year deal (the max) with four void years. This allowed them to account for the $7MM over the length of the contract, or $1.4MM per year. This reduced his cap hit to $2.4MM this season, but when the void years trigger after the Super Bowl the remaining $5.6MM is charged to 2022.

    Ebron was in two year deal set to expire after this season. The Steelers took $4.8MM of his base salary in 2021 and converted it to prorated bonus through 2025 via four void years, $976k per year. This cleared $3.9MM off 2021, but put $3.4MM onto 2022.

    The bad news of course is that it's dead money and you like to avoid that whenever you can - the Steelers are currently looking at ~$22MM in dead money next year. The good news is that the void year cap hits are already factored into 2022's books. So they're still ~$40-45MM under the cap with 37 active players on the roster.
     
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  21. Wardismvp

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    After watching the first half of season, like all other posters,
    there are quite a few holes to fill. QB should be the first priority.
     
  22. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i'm not sold on turner at RG. he whiffs a lot too. we have a little depth at guard so i'm not sure we don't keep building on guys like pridgeon and leglue and haeg< not at guard though. he played much better at tackle. i'd leave moore and dotson and green together another year at least to gel and grow together. hopefully banner can come back healthier. possibly draft a RT that can swing to the left if needed. ILB is a spot we need to address. i keep schobert, but we need to do something with bush. whether thats a coaching change or two defensive coaching changes.:smiley1: butler and olsavsky. we need production there. we should be getting more out of schobert and bush. schobert at least. he's always been a good player. i can't understand why he's not playing better here. oh, yes i can, olsavsky and butler. D-Line should be an early pick as well as a top corner and safety. :cool:
     
  23. Steel Hog

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    I don't believe there is any guarantee that a FA will, without a doubt, give the same results as he had with his previous team. Remember Duce Staley. Risk is inherent no matter who we bring in, FA or draft pick. What we have to give up to get one of these super stars may really set us back years if it doesn't work out. JMO>
     
  24. KnoxVegasSteel

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    Any chance you saw him play in those 4 games? How did he do? I assume it was because the starter went down. I'm not impressed with what we've seen so far at C.
     
  25. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    every game these guys get more experience and hopefully get in the weight rooms in the offseason and improve.:cool:
     
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