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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by rukus4ever, Nov 25, 2014.

  1. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    The NFL has the Ravens at #2 in the division. However, the Steelers have the superior division percentage.

    What gives?

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  2. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    This is what I referenced from NFL.com...

    The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.
    NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.
    TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

    If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
    Two Clubs


    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    5. Strength of victory.
    6. Strength of schedule.
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    9. Best net points in common games.
    10. Best net points in all games.
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    12. Coin toss
     
  3. Myronwemissyinz

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    Far as I can see you are correct my friend. We should be ranked second. Whats up NFL??????
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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  5. Myronwemissyinz

    Myronwemissyinz

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    How so TTF with us having a better div %??
     
  6. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    its a 3 way tie now. So first tiebreak is head to head. In Common games between Bal, Pit and Cle, Bal is 2-1, Pit is 2-2, Cle is 1-2. If the season ended today, the Ravens win on head-to-head-to-head, and are in 2nd place.
     
  7. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    The above playoff berth tiebreakers are just that...for playoffs. They don't apply until the end of the season.
     
  8. Myronwemissyinz

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    Makes sense now that you explained it A... thanks!!
     
  9. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers just need to win all games up to and including the one on Feb. 8th in Phoenix.
     
  10. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    Sem Problema, have a Blantons on the rocks and relax
     
  11. Myronwemissyinz

    Myronwemissyinz

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    I have a Trace otr in hand and am happy with that. Thanks again for your explanation!!!
     
  12. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't care less if the win a game in Phoenix on February 8th and neither should you.
     
  13. Myronwemissyinz

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    AH ya we established that......We all got it now thanks to A.....DUH :rolleyes:.....REALLY????
     
  14. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    I thought division record counted before common games...

    From NFL.com...

    [h=2]Three or More Clubs[/h](Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

    1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
    2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
    5. Strength of victory.
    6. Strength of schedule.
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    9. Best net points in conference games.
    10. Best net points in all games.
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    12. Coin toss
    I understand that common games matter. I understand that these rules are used to determine post season seeding and it is not the post season. However, the standings are used to show what the postseason outlook is, at the current time. Is that correct? If so, then all the rules seem to point to considering the division record, first.
     
  15. freakfontana

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    one week at time then before the last two games of the season we can see where we are
     
  16. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    division record comes before common games, but not before head to head. Right now, Bal, Cle and Pit are tied, so first TB is the hEad to head record between the three. And Balt wins that at the moment.
     
  17. Myronwemissyinz

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    Lets just win!!!
     
  18. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    You obviously don't have a math background, excel or programming dexterity and lots of time on your hands. Lucky you!

    NFL tiebreakers and the zillions of scenarios they spawn weeks in advance are a very complicated, confusing and interesting math problem. It has fascinated me for 25 yrs now. And because fans and sports media aren't math savvy, they constantly generate misinformation, Which is why I started to figure the scenarios.
     
  19. AFan

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    Trace is good, finally got all the horses in Blantons after 3yrs. Gonna put them on a barrel stave. But I do need to redo the Bourbon tour and fill in some gaps. Maybe not Steeler related, but Dermotti Dawson went to Western Kentucky
     
  20. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    Wait... I gotcha... I missed this on the page...

    TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

    If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
    Two Clubs


    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    5. Strength of victory.
    6. Strength of schedule.
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    9. Best net points in common games.
    10. Best net points in all games.
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    12. Coin toss
    Three or More Clubs

    (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    5. Strength of victory.
    6. Strength of schedule.
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    9. Best net points in common games.
    10. Best net points in all games.
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    12. Coin toss
    Three-way, intra-division tie. Head to head comparison. Now, I got it. I have to look this crap up, every year. :lolol:
     
  21. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    I had brain freeze I guess. Hopefully we'll be still celebrating while trying to get the Katy Perry out of our ears.
     
  22. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    Out of my ears, yes. Out of my mind? No!

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  23. darcrav

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  24. pjgruden

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    I think we're all overthinking things here. When there's a tie in the standings they usually go alphabetically. Baltimore comes before Pittsburgh. However, in this case that's not how they are doing it. I believe they're ranking them according to most points in the Points For category.

    :smiley1:
     
  25. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    :lolol:

    Yeah, I forget that they have so many different ways of breaking ties depending on where the teams being compared are from (intra-division vs intra-conference; two-way tie or three-or-more ties...).

    I have to look it up, every year. :lolol:
     

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