Big Ben 2012 MVP

Sure, I think it would help his marketability. Companies would want to take advantage of the publicity, and it's been awhile since the negative news, and Ben's been on pretty good behavior since.

The last commercials I remember seeing Ben in were the fathead commercials.

 

No clue about ESPN or any of the more local football guys, but the guys on Sirius NFL have been calling Ben elite for quite a few years now. Every time they talk about what is needed to win a SB, they point to the teams that have won SB's and say they all have one thing in common, an elite QB.

 

He has his past and looks to overcome to get a major endorsement contract. These are bigger hurdles than an MVP allow him to get over. I don't know but I expect that he is not as good an actor as the Manning brothers or Rodgers.

 

Yeah, the fathead commercial I mentioned earlier always made me cringe a little for being a little too corny.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8903465155817206265

 

Yeah, because Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Jeff Hostetler were all clearly elite QB's....

 

There's exceptions to every rule

 

Yes, he only says one sentence per segment. It looks like they had to have several takes to put the whole commercial together.

 

Not to mention some of the elite QB's have pretty well laid eggs in some of the SB's that their respective teams have won - even Ben and TB. Sure, having an elite QB gives you a pretty good chance at a SB win, but I'm not sure it is the automatic path to winning a SB. I would say that an equal argument could be made about having an elite defense.

BTW, I agree that Ben is an elite QB and gives the Steelers a legit chance at winning every game they play in.

 

There's nothing that gives you an automatic path to the SB, but if you look at all the QB's that have won SB's, there's a common theme. Brady, Eli, Peyton, Ben, Brees, Rodgers. It's been 10 years since one of those guys wasn't the SB champion. Having an elite QB sure does help your odds of winning a SB.

 

What bothers me about that TTF is, Ben was probably Guilty of jumping those girls bones. I also believe both entered willingly. 1st one for sure when you see the email trail she left. Do not be fooled by number 2 girl. PK's Preachers kids are either goody two shoes or wild as Xaivendar Hollander. Did I get that name right? Anyhow he was guilty of being there. But a SB MVP would do a lot for him.[/quote:2j7d36n1]

A SB MVP would do a lot for him getting into the Hall, but not much for his reputation. Those that believe he was guilty of sexual assault (not me) will never be convinced otherwise. They're either ignorant or haters and nothing he does on the field will change their minds. I think he definitely should be in the conversation as far as NFL MVP and is definitely the team's MVP so far.

 

I have not read the whole thread, I admit that. I don't have time to read this much stuff AND comment. That being said, if I am the first to float this opinion, I am sorry.

If Ben leads the league in passer rating and leads the team to another Super Bowl win, IMO, the press will never vote him MVP.

If Ben throws for 400 yards and leads a last 2 minute drive again for a TD to win as time expires in order to win the Super Bowl, he won't get the MVP.

I just don't see him ever getting that kind of praise in today's NFL. The press doesn't like him, so he won't win. I saw reviews here in Carolina talking about the game and RG3 was mentioned in the first paragraph yet Ben was talked about until later in the article.

Let's look at reality. Luck and RG3 have VERY similar numbers. The differences Luck has about 200 more passing yards and 5 more INTs. Everything else is pretty much the same, including sacks. Oh yeah, Luck has played 1 less game and has worse targets and BA as his coach. LOL!

 

A SB MVP would do a lot for him getting into the Hall, but not much for his reputation. Those that believe he was guilty of sexual assault (not me) will never be convinced otherwise. They're either ignorant or haters and nothing he does on the field will change their minds. I think he definitely should be in the conversation as far as NFL MVP and is definitely the team's MVP so far.[/quote:3ptnqh4k]

It's not just the sexual assaults, nor are people ignorant just because they don't think he's an angel. Ben did some stupid things for a long time. He acted like an immature college student. There's far more to it than just those 2 sexual assault allegations.

 

Why would Ben get MVP votes for the regular season for a game winning drive in the Superbowl? That makes no sense.
You're right though, if he leads the league in passer rating but nothing else, he won't win MVP. He will need to throw for more TD's and slightly more yards if he wants to be in the running. Look at the QB's that win MVP, you'll notice a common theme among their stats. QB rating of course matters, but being 10th in passing TD's isn't good enough to win MVP.

If Ben leads the league in yards and TD passes, he will win MVP.

As for Luck and RG3, what does that have to do with anything? Besides, Luck has Reggie Wayne to throw to, RG3 doesn't have anyone close to Reggie Wayne.

 

We all know he acted immature and wasn't an angel, but he was never arrested for anything. I don't think someone's reputation should be forever ruined because of accusations.

 

The defense would need to tank and Ben would have to throw for 300+ yards a game and still win for Ben to be considered MVP...

 

A SB MVP would do a lot for him getting into the Hall, but not much for his reputation. Those that believe he was guilty of sexual assault (not me) will never be convinced otherwise. They're either ignorant or haters and nothing he does on the field will change their minds. I think he definitely should be in the conversation as far as NFL MVP and is definitely the team's MVP so far.[/quote:1n83xjzr]

I don't think that those that believe he is guilty of sexual assault are ignorant or haters (they may have a college age daughter or know him better than you or I, for example), there is certainly much precedent for money and fame making legal troubles go away in this country. But if they did believe it, I don't think anything he does on the field should change their minds. They would be pretty weak minded if it did. What could he do on the field to change their mind?

 

Bens name isnt being mentioned as an MVP candidate by anyone in the news media, unless he throws for 50 TDs this year no one will mention his name: Peyton and Ben have similar stats after 7 games Peyton-2113 total yards: 17 TDs: 4 INTS: 109 passer rating....Ben-1987 total yards: 14 TDs: 3 INTS: 101.4 passer rating: Ben can get all these stats way up during the remainder of the season but he needs to get them off the charts to even get mentioned as an MVP...MVP is all about stats, and that isnt going to change anytime soon.....

 

Okay, let me explain. The last minute Super Bowl drive was about the Super Bowl MVP, not regular season.

When it comes to stats, the only one that matters to me as a QB are efficiency and wins. Going 30 for 60 for 4 TDs/0 INTs and 425 yards without getting a win means nothing to me.

Ben won't lead the league in either of those categories.

The Luck/RG3 comparison was thrown in to prove a point. The press has their "darlings" and if you aren't one of those, you don't get promoted. RG3 has been impressive, but Cam Newton was last year as well. In the long run, Luck will be the better QB and IMO RG3 will take a major step back next year and the press will wonder why. And before anyone says I am saying that because I am a racist, you can just stop. This is about his abilities on the field, not his skin color. He could be green with purple polka dots, I don't care. I don't like QBs who are run first. That is not the way this league is designed for long-term success.

 

I still don't understand the Luck/RG3 thing. Luck gets just as much press, if not more, than RG3 does. Luck is generally considered to be the better QB. As for RG3 being a run first QB, he's not that at all. RG3 is a great passer and will pass first, not run first. They call designed run plays for him because he's so explosive, but RG3 can stand back there and sling it 50 times no problem. He is a very good passer with sound mechanics, especially for a rookie.

 

Look at these stat lines:

COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
179 268 66.8 1,987 7.41 82 14 3 13 101.4 284

184 294 62.6 2,301 7.83 80 12 8 6 89.1 288


One of those guys will yearly be an MVP candidate, the other won't.

 

I am sure he would like to be mvp. He would have to put up monster stats to be even considered. I'm sure that it does bother him not to be mentioned with the so called elite quarterbacks. He just wants to win football games. I wouldn't trade him for any other quarterback.

 

Well Said!!!
Or, "MVP"... I could care less, as long as he delivers more Superbowl Trophies to the Black-N-Gold!!! :hello:
On a side note, I found it interesting, that the player who OUR players voted "MVP", of OUR team, got the fat contract in the offseason, while "Speedy Mike", sat out...
Just Sayin... :hello: