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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by biggbunch68, Apr 20, 2021.

  1. The Sodfather

    The Sodfather Well-Known Member

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    Great song, but I prefer "Psycho Killer." Awesome bass.
     
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  2. SteelReal

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    Why do people do that on here?? Reminds me of that one ridiculous thread with the imposter. Its cleay an attempt to minimize his successes.
     
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  3. SteelReal

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    Maybe you should also mention Manning is one level above Roethlisberger in QB talent and Brady is two levels.
     
  4. SteelerGlenn

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    You asked for an example and he provided one. Don’t change the rules now.
     
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  5. SteelReal

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    It's not changing the rules...I'm stating facts. The focus is still the coach and his franchise QB. Tell me who would deny the point I made?? If their being honest I mean.
     
  6. SteelerGlenn

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    You asked for a duo that had better success. He provided a fair one and the you moved the target by saying that Manning is more talented than Ben so it don’t count. That’s changing the rules.
     
  7. mac daddyo

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    where did i say that? yes remind me. show me where i said that. i wasn't even talking about tomlin. so you shut up. i was talking about bad qb play. they didn't play that bad. get your facts strait before you attack. our two had us one game out of the playoffs by seasons end most of the ones you listed didn't do that. it had nothing to do with tomlin. f-off richard cranium. :cool:
     
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  8. SteelReal

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    Actually I didnt change the rule...Manning had three different coaches during that time frame....so really its no comparison one way or another. What you cant say is Tomlin has done less with more. Those three coaches had about as much success with Manning as Tomlin had with Big Ben during each of their 3 coaching tenures with Manning as their franchise QB.
     
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  9. steelersrule6

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    He has won one before, could've had two :shrug:. There's no guarantee a new HC will win a championship.
     
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  10. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Get a clue, the Rooney rule gets you an interview.
     
  11. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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  12. Lizard72

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    Someone forgot about the Jets Overtime game that required a 43 yard missed field goal to happen. Same with the Tennessee loss that needed a missed field goal to get to overtime as well.

    Or the multiple losses at home:
    24-3 Buffalo
    17-13 San Diego
    24-21 Broncos
    24-17 Patriots
    41-27 Patriots
     
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  13. steelersrule6

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    Yeah Cowher with that great 1-4 record at home in the AFCCG :facepalm:, if the Colts complete that hail mary at the end of the 95 AFCCG, he would've been 0-5.
     
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  14. The Sodfather

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    This team has so many needs moving forward I think the fan base has to realized that there are going to be some lean seasons until they acquire some high end talent through the draft. Point being, a coaching change within the next 4 years probably wouldn't make a great deal of difference anyway.

    That being said, is a change really necessary? I go back and forth about Tomlin. I like him as a person and I think the team plays hard for him. However, he can't get all the credit when they win and none of the blame when they lose. The same voices that like to list what the team has accomplished under his control say that players play the game and coaches coach. Obviously. But, this team is too often undisciplined and somewhat mentally fragile. I think veterans receive far too much reverence even when their under performing, and that especially includes BR7. But, I told myself I would avoid a deep-dive over this so, it is what it is. I refuse to sit here and either cheer or wring my hands over it. I will still watch every game when possible and hope they win. So, while I am somewhat lukewarm about Tomlin getting extended 3 years, me shouting at the clouds isn't going to change a damn thing.
     
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  15. jeh1856

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    Ben gets as much blame or more than Tomlin for sure.
     
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  16. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Beer is good

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    Are you arguing with yourself?
     
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  17. SteelReal

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    My bad. I apologize....thats on me.
     
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  18. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Beer is good

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    He’s not the only one, there are a few others. One in particular comes to mind.
     
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  19. Thor

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    1. Yes, you changed the rules. You asked for an example of better performance with a franchise QB during the Brady era.

    (1a. Never was anything mentioned about Brady>Manning>Roethlisberger. That's an entirely different debate.)

    2. Talking about Tomlin doing 'less with more' proves #1. You said nothing about the Tomlin 'having more.'

    3. But whatever. The Steelers had better a better-rated defense than the Colts over the respective spans.

    4. I don't think the three coaches vs. the same one argument holds much water here. The Colts were definitely looking to move on from Mora (one year of which I included), but the Dungy to Caldwell transition was pretty static, especially in the short-term.
     
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  20. Thor

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    This statement would indicate you aren't well versed on Tomlin's accomplishments. His achievements - especially regarding the postseason - are highlighted more if you shift the timeline closer to when he initially took over.
     
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  21. mac daddyo

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    thank you. :smiley1::cool:
     
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  22. SteelReal

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    yeah, but you initially picked/used the last 10 years not the first 10.
     
  23. Maddog78

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    Exactly. It's not that only Ben starts poorly, the entire team is flat. That's on Tomlin.
     
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  24. Maddog78

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    Is Rudolph any worse that Tomczak? Cowher when 10-6 with him. O'Donnell? 12-4, 11-5 twice, went to a Super Bowl. Maddox? 10-5-1. Stewart? 13-3, 11-5. Those QBs played their best under Cowher, and none of them was markedly more skilled than Mason Rudolph.

    Tomlin's entire career has depended ln Ben bailing him out.
     
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  25. SteelReal

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    I really don't get the point of you pointing out any of the four things above. Either you've misunderstood my point or you're trying to force yours....and rather unnecessarily.

    Plain and simple so there's no more confusion as to what I'm trying to say....you have to look pretty hard to find someone (if any) whose done more in the last 20 years aside from the 1 obvious. Manning with the Colts didn't do more...essentially they did the same.
     
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