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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. Steelrules

    Steelrules Well-Known Member

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    His ascension to be one of the top edge rusher coincided with Joey Porter leaving. Coaching or talent?
     
  2. AFan

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    Probably raw talent that had delayed development due to being coached by a gerbil.
     
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  3. Steel Hog

    Steel Hog Well-Known Member

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    Now that's a good possibility and funny as all hell too.
     
  4. Formerscribe

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    Just because Dupree developed doesn't mean Highsmith will do the same. I think Highsmith can be good, but he does not have Dupree's upside. Dupree is a freakish athlete.
     
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  5. AFan

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    an old line. The Spaceman Bill Lee pitching for the Red Sox, as asked by a reporter why the team was struggling. His reply: “We are being managed by a gerbil”. The manager in question: Don Zimmer, who did, in fact, chew sunflower seeds like a gerbil.
     
  6. Disco1981

    Disco1981 Well-Known Member

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    And... Being a freakish Athlete does not make a great Football player either...

    Bud scares me.. 1 good year out of 5... Highsmith had a good year as a rookie!
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Don't know why people say this. Bud compared 2 games started got better every year. Except the year he came off of injury. Don't just listen 2 what people say. Look it up. Now that doesn't mean I'd resign him. That all comes down 2 how much cap he's going 2 take up , or demand.
     
  8. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't talking about Highsmith rookie season, I was talking about his ceiling being 5-6 sacks a year. Highsmith isn't nowhere near the athlete as Dupree is.
     
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  9. CK 13

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  10. strummerfan

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    zack banner tore his acl in week 1 and hasn’t started running yet. So I would say there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell Dupree is ready by week 1. The Steelers or another team will probably sign him to a 1 year deal and then he’ll hit free agency again the following year.
     
  11. Maddog78

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    The salary cap is the reason. Even at $6M, all of the cap hit comes next season and they likely won't have room. Hightower is his replacement, they can get cheaper depth in the draft and free agency with a 3rd contract guy.
     
  12. Maddog78

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    Dupree is gonna get a GM fired - very overrated player. Highsmith is the better technical player, far ahead of where Bud was as a rookie.

    That's not just me talking, either.

    https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/bud-dupree/9455

    https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/alex-highsmith/43507

    https://steelersdepot.com/2021/01/a...7th-best-pass-rush-win-rate-had-he-qualified/

    https://steelersdepot.com/2020/01/pff-lists-bud-dupree-among-most-overrated-free-agent-pass-rushers/
     
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  13. Formerscribe

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    Being a freakish athlete means a player gas more upside. Also, Dupree had two good seasons, both drastically better than Highsmith this year.
     
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  14. Maddog78

    Maddog78 Well-Known Member

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  15. Steelers304

    Steelers304 Well-Known Member

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    Analytics don't tell the whole story, Dupree's speed and athleticism alone is something highsmith will never have. Dupree is obviously the better player pre injury. if they can get him back for 6mil or 7mil you gotta take the chance on bud. Highsmith will be a good role player but i don't see him making the impact that bud did. I don't see anything that special with highsmith, people pick and choose when to like PFF based on the narrative of their argument
     
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  16. Jim90

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    Highsmith is already way ahead of Bud when comparing the 2 as rookies. Highsmith will be much better, he's showing more moves , different speeds, comes in low like Harrison used to. Just needs to learn the D especially when you have Tomlin sticking his nose in and screwing things up, its like he had to learn 2 defenses in his rookie season.
     
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  17. Blast Furnace

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    I don’t care about analytics, the defense nose diving after Bud going down isn’t a coincidence.

    If you can work it out that you get Bud back here for another year while Highsmith continues to develop, you are crazy not to.
     
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  18. Formerscribe

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    Apparently, you need to learn something about small sample sizes. Highsmith was invisible in his first few starts, then had a strong game against the Colts. Of course, most of that game was played against a third-string tackle. I like that he finished strong. He was impressive in the Week 17 game in Cleveland. He made plays here and there earlier in the season.

    The only nonsense is people trying to argue that Dupree only had one good season. Apparently, somebody here missed either 2019 or 2020. They also missed the flashes of potential in previous seasons.
     
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  19. Formerscribe

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    The problem with that theory is that in 2021, the comparison of rookie Highsmith and rookie Dupree isn't relevant. It is the players they are now that matters.
     
  20. Maddog78

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    One fits under the cap, one doesn't. The one who does graded out better, too.

    This is an easy choice.
     
  21. Maddog78

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    Bud had the larger sample size and his grade was average. You gotta just stop looking at sacks and stat sheets.
     
  22. Formerscribe

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    Again, you really need a lesson in sample size. If you don't understand that right now, Dupree is the superior player, you really need some lessons in football, too.

    I understand that Dupree is gone unless they somehow get him on a very cheap deal. I was never arguing that point. I'm pointing out that Dupree had more than one good season, which is inarguable among the sane, he is better than Highsmith right now, and he has more upside due to his superior athleticism.
     
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  23. Formerscribe

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    The problem with some of these analytics is they forget that there is a lot of value in actually making the play rather than almost making it.
     
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  24. Jim90

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    In a way it is, because now they know if Bud leaves they already have his replacement and it won't take 4 or 5 seasons to get to his best. The offense is far from being a SB contender. By the time they are , Bud will be slowing down or gone . Why throw a ton of money at a guy who will only be half of what he is now. ( if he comes back) Highsmith would be at his peak. Use Buds money to sign TJ. If resigning Bud means winning 10 or more games and lose in the first round , then no thanks. Only means another crappy draft as is picking in the 20's.
     
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  25. S.T.D

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    I actually, sometimes wonder, do people watch the Games , or just go look at highlights, read Pff, and listen 2 talking heads on TV?
     

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