rebuild by trading

I hate to propose this but I think we need to trade woodley, timmons, or Harrison to get at least a 2nd round pick for one of them. Also, trading Polamalu might get us a 1st round draft pick. with these high picks we can go after 2 good DBs in next year's draft.

 

I dont think you get a first for Polamalu. Nor do you get a 2nd for any of those LBs.

As far as getting good DBs, I'd rather focus on getting back to getting consistent pressure up front. The DBs are serviceable if you can start pressure on the QB again.

 

I think a team would be crazy to give up a 1st for Troy. He is clearly on the downside of his career and can't seem to stay helathy.

 

I dont think we could have gotten a firsf for troy three years ago. No way we could get a second or third for him now.

 

Woodley, Timmons, Harrison and Troy are not the issues....their health might be...but that just means they are not worth much.

Carter, Sly, Worilds, Mundy, Allen......there is the problem...the next guys up...are just not that good.

HACK

 

Not all good players have to be 1st round draft picks and not all first round draft picks are good players.
Look at teams like the Bills and Browns. Always picking high and never amounting to anything as a result of it. You have to ask why that is.

The Steelers have long been known for and largely successful at building their team through solid drafting (through all rounds) and developing those players. But the draft is somewhat of a gamble. Are these players that have been drafted over say the past 4 or 5 years not developing because their ceiling is not what was expected? Or is it the coaching? Maybe a little of both and some of the 'luck' involved not going their way.
In another thread it was suggested that the parity in this league and the way the draft works results in teams going in waves of good and bad years...suggesting that when you are good for years in a row and draft low you can't maintain. I don't agree. You make smart moves to move up and get what you need if the need is that strong and you believe that much in the prospect. Drafting in the last 1/4 of the first round should still provide some great talent. And look at how many teams including the Steelers have found excellent talent past the first round. Its all about who you take when its your turn. See comment about those scrub teams above always picking in the top 1/4 of the first round for years on end. Why has NE been able to stay relavent for so long? How have the quickly rectified weaknesses from one year to the next. Their strengths and weaknesses goes in waves and changes, but overall with a Franchise QB like Brady (hey we have a Franchise QB too!) they stay highly competitive every year.

My thoughts on this post are in a few directions here, but I can't agree on the concept of trading any of the players mentioned. Woodley and Timmons are still young enough and are solid players you build around. Troy will retire a Steeler and may do so sooner than we thought. I agree we need a good Safety and it should be a priority going into the draft. If we have to do something to move up and get said prospect then you do it.

I do have some hope for Cortez Allen and Sean Spence. But that leaves a lot of need on the Defensive side of the ball in the form of better Corners, Safeties and OLBs. The unfortunate thing is we need starters at those positions quickly and I don't know that they hit home runs and get that on draft picks in the next year or two. At least one of those positions is going to require some FA moves because we have both guys getting old and failing potential replacements behind them right now.

 

TOTALLY agree! The only 2 that I was excited about on D this year is Spence (who is now done for the year and it remains a question on if he will ever be the same, and Cortez Allen who I REALLY hope gets some run (I don't think he knows the zone scheme well enough but I think he would be an effective cover guy who will get better with game snaps. There was a time when we seemed to manufacture stud LB's, sadly those days are gone

 

When Porter was showing signs of age, it was an easy transition to Harrison who had shown flashes of brilliance. And Porter was there to replace Gildon and so on and so on. Same for Hampton replacing Joel Steed. And the same for many other positions.

Right now no one is showing anything beyond the starters.

 

This team doesn't need to rebuild.

 

half of the defense has to be rebuild , we have clark troy harrison woodley timmons kiesel maybe heiward the rest is garbage

 

Do you know something we don't?

 

Debating whether the FO could get a 1st or 2nd for Troy is pointless. I doubt you could get a good used pair of cleats for the guy right now.

Also looking to trade anybody in order to rebuild is just wasting you breath. The Rooneys do not go that route very often.

 

Kiesel is fine. He does his job consistanty. How u can say harrison and troy r fine is beyond me. Harrison is now a one trick pony. He cant cover a bed with a blanket and i love troy but he is average at best now. He is also a major liability in coverage

 

WE CANNOT STOP THE PASS...SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE REBUILT

 

now if they are on the sideline ok but when they are on the field their value is double if not triple than the other we brought in , now i know they should be replaced in the next future but if you start to rebuild i will start from the worst (ike mundy lewis will allen hood hampton worilds carter foote ...brown cortez allen and mclendon i don't know yet ) , basically we need two cbs two safeties one olb one ilb one dl , 7 players to start to rebuild

 

There is probably no hope for fans like yourself so I don't know why I bother. People always predict doom and gloom after every loss, every season, or whenever the wind blows. I don't believe I've ever witnessed this team go through a half rebuild or total rebuild that fans believe should take place. That's because fans don't pay attention and generally don't seem to understand. Salary capp constraints make it difficult to rebuild as fans suggest. To get the top players in the league teams have to have the opportunity to draft those players or pay for those players as FA. Teams simply can't cut players and expect rookies or less expensive options to play great as the players they replace. There are other factors that go into it but I don't expect fans to understand because they'd rather complain then try to understand.

This team is competitive as it is built. There wasn't one game that they did not have the opportunity to win this season. Every season isn't going to be as good expected for a number of reasons.

 

i dont think Worilds is a problem. he leads the team in sacks. hes on pace for dbl figures and hes not even a starter.

 

and i forgot an head coach a defensive coach and a trainer

 

i didn't say they will do i said they should and i didn't say all of the team but half of the defense (6 /7 players not 20 ), problems that a lot of new players are not good enough soon as they replace them soon we will comeback , i know is not easy and will take time , by then we will be in the hand of ben and the receivers

 

^ This +10000

 

reason number one is the defense is not good anymore

 

what he said^

 

Worilds is serviceable......he is easily the best of the rest..but that doesn't make him good. 2 of his 3 sacks have been gifts....one was all scheme...guard blocked down...tackle took thee over load lb..worilds came untouched on vick....then he mopped up Keisels pressure against Titans..
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I give him credit for making the plays in front of him...but I think many could make those same plays.

Imo number one team need is David Amerson...simply because he makes either the ike int or the lewis int...either wins the game.

Hack

 

I'm with Burgh43stel I think the team will come together once they get over some of those injuries.
There are players that can come through but need time as most do.
Most positions of need have draft pick replacements, nearly everyone was happy with the draft picks this year.
3 losses so far 2 of them were on the last play of the game the other was on the last drive.
A few losses and many people seem to lose the plot.
Look at Suisham first miss of the season and people calling for his head, blame Ben he should have got him a few more yards on that last play.

 

Here's my trade idea (just as unrealistic probably, but who doesn't like to dream?).

Call up Miami and trade them Marcus Gilbert and Willie Colon for Mike Pouncey.
Play Pouncey at LG and Mike Adams at RT, still leaving us with a need at LT but that's been the case forever. So the line would be:

Starks (or replacement), Pouncey, Pouncey, DeCastro, Adams

Being in the Pacific Northwest, I catch a lot of Vancouver Canucks games (Sedin twins). Maybe this make me overestimate the "twins" factor, but I really think the Pounceys would make a great tandem. Plus, we'd get rid of Colon and Gilbert so half the penalty flags and no more more o-line injuries! All of our problems are solved.