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Willie Colon, Casey Hampton and Ziggy Hood

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by mrn6, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. mrn6

    mrn6 Well-Known Member

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    Just watched the game again...and for the life of me I cannot figure out why these guys continue to be starters on this team.

    Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with the win and don't mean to be picky, but I hope:

    When DeCastro comes back Foster goes to left guard. Ben in his post game interviews said in so many words the refs keep calling holding on Colon because he keeps pancaking people who can't rush him.
    I thought really.

    As for Hampton and Hood getting more plays then McClendon, I have no idea what that's about. Hood and Hampton got owned on every play that I watched tonight..
    Get McClendon more time onm the field please..

    anyone else agrees?
     
  2. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    Hood is officially a bust. As far as I'm concerned they can cut his ass. He's useless.
    That's what happens though when you draft a pure 4-3 pass rusher and stick him into a 3-4. Even if you can keep him interested despite not getting any stats (lets face it, most NFL players are selfish and stat driven), it's not his strength. His strength is rushing the passer, not taking up blockers.
     
  3. steel1031

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    I hate to disagree on colon cause he is not one of my favorite players, but his run blocking today was great. He looked better than he has all year. His problem is pass protection. As far as what ben said he did flatten a couple of people today
     
  4. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i hate to disagree with your disagreement. he holds because he gets beat off the snap. one play he got credit for today one of our linemen i think it was pouncey, stopped colon's man first and handed him off to colon and they said how good of a block colon had. well yes he did,since he was allowed to get set up in position while the defender was held there for him first. he can't do it on his own, he's to slow. i hope decastro goes to LG and wille goes to the bench. i said it last week that i would put beachum or legursky at LG. i'd consider bringing lee up from the PS instead. i was wrong about colon being a good guard. definately not a leftside guard for sure. 40 yards in penalties, not counting what we lost on those plays. not acceptable for a high paid vet. i'm not sure there is a spot he can play at along the line anymore.
    :cool:
     
  5. freakfontana

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    i agree lee could be a better left guard than colon, but they will never do it , i can't believe how much they pay this guy ...for what?
     
  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i like lee, he's an animal. i think they may have something for the future in him. we have some guys that will make us better down the road. :cool:
     
  7. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    All we heard through the pre-season is what a beast this guy is and he really played well, now Tomlin barely let's him on the field. What gives???
     
  8. Somathus

    Somathus Well-Known Member

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    To be fair to Ziggy, he had 3 solo tackles and a sack. That is a pretty good line for a DE in our system

    Colon looked HORRIBLE today. How long are they going to put up with this "experiment"? Probably till DeCastro is ready. If he doesn't get it together, he should not be resigned
     
  9. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    Colon is one of our top 5 OL so I don't support taking him out for Legursky or Beachum, or any other flavor of the moment PS guy. Yeah, he gets called for holding more than the typical OL, but he also makes good blocks and can usually pass protect at a decent level. The penalties just bring the spotlight upon him and no OL looks good with the spotlight on him. Our OL would be much worse off if Colon is out.
     
  10. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, no way Legursky replaces Colon. I do think Colon could be upgraded though at the LG spot, he will kill this team if he continues amassing penalties...

    Hood isn't bad, still would like Heyward to get a fair amount of snaps a game, I think he is our next star DE.
     
  11. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Dead wood.Add Kiesel to this list.
     
  12. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't think Ziggy Hood was horrible today. McLendon played better that Hampton, he made Vick fumble on the one we didn't recover, as far as Colon today was the best game I've seen him play his best run blocking of the season, he still needs to get better at pass protection, he needs to stop getting flags thrown his direction, but the whole team could listen to that, 106 yards is just horrible, pentalies killed a couple of drives.
     
  13. numbah58

    numbah58 Staff Member Mod Team

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    I thought Ziggy and Willie played well but I agree that McClendon should see the field more.
    I think the problem on the D-line is Hampton and Keisel. They've been warriors but I fear that father time has caught up with them. I think at this point I'd like to see how Ziggy, McClendon and Heyward perform as a unit.
    More importantly our WR corps need to catch the ball. What's up with all of the drops?
     
  14. CANTON STEEL

    CANTON STEEL Well-Known Member

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    :this!:
     
  15. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    Guys you gotta give colon a break here he basically missed two years and came back to a different posistion. Its going to take some time i still believe he can be a very good guard
     
  16. mrn6

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    Out of the 3 guys that I mentioned in my original post, Hampton no doubt is the worst one. He really does not do anything. Did anyone see that play when McClendon almost took Vick's head off?
     
  17. edog55

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    First off, Hampton pissed me off right from the start. He got blocked and opened up a lane for VIck because his Fat Butt did nothing. I'm sitting their saying why is he in the game. He is a waste and does absolutely nothing. You can add Keisel to that along with Hampton, why are they still on the field when you have to younger guys who are clearly better, McClendon and Hayward. I don't think Hayward got in the game much, and McClendon put in some work when he got into the game. Big Snack is done, they should be dressing Ta,amu and put Big Snack on the bench or inactive. The D-Line should be Hood, McClendon, and Hayward. Kiesel is doing absolutely nothing also, so why not put Hayward out their. For the life of me I don't understand why the Steelers still hold on to dreams of who their vets use to be. Hampton and Keisel are hurting the team more then helping them. Keisel is team captain along with Ben, I don't understand that when Keisel is not leading by example. How about Clark or even Foote at this point because they are leading by example.

    If I were Tomlin, Keisel's ass would be demoted!

    As far as Hood is concerned, he had a pretty nice game, plus he is no where as bad as Hampton and Keisel. Right now the line should be Hood, McClendon, and Hayward. For the life of me I can't understand why they keep trouting Hampton and Keisel out their and excepting their bad performances. Tomlin, make the change and stop farting around.

    Big Problem as far as Colon is concerned. He always gets his usual two holding penalties but yesterday he was ridiculous. Its sad that the Steelers pay him what they pay him for his performance, its just sad. Some people on here said he had a good game because he did a good job at run blocking. Well his penalty ridden game off set all of that. He killed drives and in general look sad. He was beaten often by his man and resorted to holding. That is his game, it will contine to be like that, more of the same.

    I don't know if anyone notice but Starks was getting beat too. What they did in his case is give him help with the TE. If you notice, Heath Miller stayed in and help block a lot in that game because our Tackles can't handle the pass rush by themselves. Health only had 4 receptions yesterday because of that. I don't know what they are doing with Adams but I wish they would hurry up and get him ready. Maybe he could play guard better they Colon.

    I fear that we can only expcet More Of The Same from Hampton 35 yrs old, Colon 29 yrs old, Keisel 34 yrs old, and Starks 30 yrs old! Bring in the youth. Hampton and Keisel's replacements are standing on the side lines!
     
  18. TheSteelHurtin2188

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    i remember seeing heyward in the game a bunch yesterday. They were rotating dline all game long
     
  19. blitz_burgh

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    I actually, and maybe I'm wrong, thought they had a pretty decent game. Their sole purpose in a 3-4 is to take up space and as many O-lineman as they can This frees up lanes for the linebackers and Timmons was practically in the backfield the entire first half. They are not going to get the sacks and the big plays all the time but if you see our linebackers in the backfield most of the game, then they had a pretty good game.

    BLITZ
     
  20. nitrous12

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    Colon is playing illegally much of the time. When Kemo did this Tomlin called him out on it. It will be interesting to see if he does the same or not.
     
  21. mac daddyo

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    you are so wrong on this one GB. they have to set his man up for him to be able to block him. he's way to slow. he can't get out in front of ball carriers to lead block and it's affecting what they want to do. top 5? what a joke. if we only had 5 maybe. who cares if he missed two years? he's killing the offense. if the defender isn't straight on in front of him he can't block him. he's to slow off the ball. thats why he holds. nothing good about this line except pouncey and he has his share of gaffs. :cool:
     
  22. BK99

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    I feel the opposite, I watched every team we played so far and Keisel gets doubled because Hook can't get off a single block so the teams are double teaming Keisel and he is a step slow but he holds his ground unlike Ziggy who get pushed off the ball almost every play. Hampton has seen better days and McLendon needs to start. I would put Heyward in to replace Ziggy and Ziggy had the best game of his career agains the Eagles because they have just as bad as an oline as we do if not worse. I'll give him credit for making the plays but he didn't earn them, the sack was Vick running into him and the three solo tackles was McCoy cutting back while his blockers are moving up. Yes, I'm critical of him as he wants to celebrate and he thinks he is good and he is the biggest reason why the run defense has been so bad and it is a big reason Timmons hasn't been playing so well as he gets blocked out of a lot of plays just because Ziggy gets owned just about every play.
     
  23. PWP

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    Hard to tell about these guys ....All but Hapton appear to be better at getting up the field than playing Gap Football....The problem is 2 fold without Troy we don't have a good gap run fit.....Also we are weak at DB in coverage which means we can't play tight wich also leads to bigger gaps for guys to try and cover....

    So until we get a better SS to replace Troy and we get some CB'S with some better coverage and run stopping ability this D will get gashed if not at full strength....If C Brown is Healthy he should be playing..I would also put Vandyke at FS and move Clark to SS when Troy is out...

    If we could ever get a nice lead I would like to see Mclendon,Heyward,Keisel,Hood. and Hampton on the line.....Let them all just blow up the field with Timmons as the lone LB.....
     
  24. TheSteelHurtin2188

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    Wrong on the last part timmons plays behind the beard. The fact that foote makes a bunch of plays and has a coupl e3 of sacks tells me hood is doing something right but i jost dont think he isa de. If we were a 4-3 team and he was playing dt I think he w9uld be very good
     
  25. bigdaddyK

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    People can dump on Ziggy all they want but alot of the blitzes came on his side. Until we let our Dline guys attack and not penalize them I refuse to rip any of the young guys.

    As the season goes I would think mclendon starts getting starter reps because this is Casey last season in the nfl.

    Willie was willie very good run blocking gets eaten alive in pass pro. Hopefully Foster can switch to lg once Decastro is 100%
     

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