Josh Dobbs back with the Steelers

Exactly. A deer, a duck, a dobbs, and a bag of dicks.

 

This Dobbs for Duck is about as significant of a move as changing the supplier of water bottles.

 

Ok, we are up to changing jock strap suppliers.

 

That could be very significant then.

 

Based on what? There have been no preseason games, so it's doubtful Rudolph and Dobbs flip flop just based on the lack of body of work.

 

I'm with the sports guys on tv. Why would you not take a flier on Josh Rosen? The Bucs got him and are paying him peanuts. So sick of this Steeler philosophy of bringing back players that "know the system." Your system isn't that complicated! In fact, this offense is quite basic and predictable.

 

Even without Covid, the Steelers would still make this move. They value system knowledge over talent way too much imo.

 

There is nothing bogus about my claim. The evidence does not fit your opinion. It is fine to say that it isn't enough evidence, but what evidence we have all works against your opinion.

Your new claim in that last line isn't much better. Rudolph was better in the preseason games in 2019. The Steelers would be idiots to elevate Rudolph past Dobbs purely on when hew as drafted given that they were keeping both. They didn't have to rush him up to No. 2 then.

Also, they didn't admit trading Dobbs was a mistake at all. At the time, they decided that they were better off with Hodges and a fifth-round pick than they would be by keeping Dobbs. Now they got Dobbs back for nothing. That isn't admitting a mistake. If they had given up something of value to acquire Dobbs, maybe you would have a point. They did not, so you do not.

The bit about me arguing against myself makes no sense. My claims do not conflict with one another. The argument you just presented against them doesn't support the idea that they did conflict.

The bottom line is that the Steelers did not admit a mistake by bringing back Dobbs. They got value out of trading him, then got him back for free. Rudolph beat Dobbs out for the No. 2 job last year. They didn't need to promote Rudolph to justify his draft status. What they needed was to have the better option available at No. 2. If they really thought Dobbs was better, there is no way they would have traded him. Your opinion that he would have gotten them to the playoffs simply is not supported by the available evidence.

 

Very simple. Josh Rosen would have not signed with Pittsburgh due in part to neither Mike Tomlin or Kevin Colbert meeting him at UCLA's Pro Day back in 2018. Why do I mention seeing players at their Pro Day you ask?!



See this below;









Mike Tomlin has never hid nor shied away from being a staunch supporter of familiarity. Regardless of how many seasons has passed since the 2018 NFL Mock Draft, Tomlin is only going to focus on not just what he knows but who he knows; players, coaches or otherwise. I would imagine that Kevin Colbert is of the same mindset, for better or worse.



In short?! Do not expect Mike Tomlin or Kevin Colbert to take their proverbial swings to the fences any time soon. For that matter, every time the Steelers have done that in the Colbert/Tomlin Era has ended in disaster; Artie Burns being the biggest one despite Pittsburgh bringing a good contingent to Baylor's Pro Day in 2016.




Mason Rudolph does need to have some short of bounce back. I could not agree more. That said, let us not write him off so quickly. No QB in my lifetime was labeled as a racist until that fateful November. For that matter, not many QBs in my lifetime got their heads caved in either.

 

Time Wizard Colbert and his mastery of value!!



Kevin Colbert: Steelers General Manager and Ruler of Time!

 

So Dobbs #2 then???

 

Rosen was and possibly still is available for nothing on a dirt cheap contract, there is absolutely no risk associated with bringing him in to see what he can do knowing that he will probably not play. It is no more risky than bringing in an undrafted free agent.

Vetting players that you may spend a first round draft pick on is not really comparable in this case, you absolutely must scout those players and know everything about them of course.

I’m not a bit peeved that they didn’t bring Rosen in, he is almost certainly a bust at this point and I expect the front office (and most of the rest of the league as it happens) came to that conclusion as well and that is the chief reason the Steelers didn’t bring him in rather than the fact that they didn’t attend his pro day.

 

I think it's more the Jaguars current roster turmoil than Dobbs ability to win the #2 spot. Looks like Jacksonville is going all in for QB coming out next year.

 

Would love to know the comparables in size and strength to Doug Flutie

 

Theoretically, this may be a good move. You figure Mason beat out Dobbs a year ago for the number 2 spot. Now he is back, and Mason will have to up his game in order to keep the number 2 spot. While I like Josh Dobbs and like most I am impressed with his book smarts. However, I remember a game against the Raiders where Ben went out with an injury, Dobbs practically gave the game away, then Ben came back in to save the day "for what could (should) have been the game winning TD. Of course we all know our defense gave up a few quick plays to give the Raiders the eventual win.

 

My point exactly.



Tomlin is not going to try out an unknown, picks or otherwise. Last time the team did that, Ziggy Hood happened. That did not end well.



Devlin Hodges was not an unknown. Area Scout Mark Gorscak was in attendance at Samfords Pro Day back in March 7th. No one was present for Josh Rosen for the Steelers during UCLA's Pro Day back on March 16th, 2018.



Again, familiarity > pedigree for Tomlin. Besides, as I stated before, Mason Rudolph underwent the worst set of occurrences any Sophomore Quarterback has ever gone through in recent memory. The fact that he has been reported to have gotten better than a year ago tells me that said circumstances have not slowed him down. For that matter, Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert both must take partial responsibility for Mason's slowed development due to not having a dedicated QB Coach; something they have clearly learned with the acquisition of Matt Canada.



Coincidentally enough, this could be it for both the Big XII QBs in the AFC North. I do hope that Mason can pull through though. I truly see no available options in 2021 that will help sans a big trade to get into the Top 10; a cost that will make the 2019 acquisition to get Devin Bush Jr. look miniscule by comparison.

 

Hey biggbunch68.

Well said. Could have had Andy Dalton. Proven winner. Went from 17 Million price tag to Three Million. Does not seemed to be bothered to be a back-up for now. These are the two key points that some here stated were the road blocks in our pursuit of getting him. Uhhh, yeah.

Hope Ben makes a full-recovery and lasts the season. If not, get out the popcorn and be prepared tp watch a rerun of last season's movie. Very risky move by Management to not go after a proven QB. Given all of this great talent we have on both sides of the ball and we are putting are eggs in the "Back-Up QB Basket". Just Wow! You talk about poor planning and foresight. Just disgusting as I say around here. What a waste of our talent if Ben goes down for any period of time.

Maybe our back-up QBs can lead someday but not today. Furthermore, no Spring OTAs. No Pre-Season. This hurts Ben as well let alone these "greenhorn" back-up QBs. Great job "Steelers' Brass". Well done (sarcasm).


STEELWINDS AKA The East Side Kid

 

We still don't have a future qb on the roster, but atleast he can run when his arm fail him ... lol

 

I would like to have a capable back-up.

 

This is the best part of this thread! You arguing even with yourself is classic! You will both (you and yourself) soon learn that neither opponent is equipped to enter a battle of wits

 

I am perfectly fine with not having the future QB on the roster at this time. The recent NFL has proven that your elite QB's come from first round picks and seldom from a diamond in the rough. When Ben is officially done, go do what you have to to get the next elite QB.