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Would be awesome to see, but how would you pay for that once Minkah is off his rookie contract? With Watt needing to be paid, and if Bush turns out to be what some people think, seems like there will be some casualties. Gotta keep pressure up front.

 

But I didn't say they "don't" translate. I said it was rare. And of course I gave a select few. I could have given more, but I felt I gave enough to make my point.

As far as your examples, I agree that Deion's presence vaulted the 49'rs to a championship. But he didn't do anything for the Cowboys winning one. That was all Neil O'Donnell. And how many championships did he win with Atlanta? Or Washington? Or Baltimore? And what did Reggie White do for Philly? His stats were better there.

 

Exactly, just a dream.
Discussing salary cap implications didn't even make sense for something that was never based in reality.
I took the bait...

 

True!



I was not within the discussion for the Steelers to pursue Jamal from the beginning. That said, safety may likely end up being a priority again. I do believe that, with the acquisition of Minkah, Terrell's days are numbered here.


I seriously doubt the team elects to pay two players from the same draft who were First Round picks.

 

Doesn't it depend more on market value, accepted value, and cap space? Seems silly to say that we wouldn't want two players from the same draft who were first rounders. If you can make the contracts work, why wouldn't you?

 

Under normal circumstances, this would not be an issue. However, Pittsburgh does not fall into this category. Minkah's performance and his acquisition saw to that. Keep in mind that the fifth year for Rookies is fully guaranteed based on the performance of the past three seasons.


For that matter, Minkah will likely become the highest paid safety the moment his Rookie Contract is up. Terrell's agent is likely to ask for an amount that could come close to that value.

 

I never said it was a sound idea. All I am saying is that such as the way players agents usually negotiate. I do agree that Terrell really should take the next step as I still want him to succeed.

 

It's not rare either because just about every team that has won the sb had a superstar.

 

Not the point. Only 1 team wins it. The point is about elevating a team to and successfully through the championship.

 

You're really reaching on this one. You said you doubt the team elects to pay two players from the same draft who were First Round picks. I said if the contracts can be made, then the team would do it. Now you're talking about how the contracts are prohibitive. That has NOTHING to do with whether or not the Steelers would want two first-rounders from the same draft.

 

They will likely go with an inexpensive recent draft pick unless Terrell plays for rookie wages. Minka will be sucking up the $$.

 

That is a big if given the fact that, due to their status as First Round picks in addition to the new CBA, keeping two First Round picks is simply not doable. Should Terrell perform very well for the duration of his contract, Pittsburgh is not extending both him and Minkah due to the limitations of a Salary Cap. One shall stay, the other has to go.



One final major point There. There will be more players on the team in the future who will need extended besides these two. Having two defensive players, safeties no less, that absorb a sizeable amount of cap space is not the way to go. As a result, Terrell is not likely to finish his career as a Steeler here, in my opinion.

 

Okay. I yield to you and the blinders you wear on your brain.

 

Huh?! What are you talking about. You stated that I said keeping both Terrell and Minkah are prohibitive. I am not stating that they cannot be kept because the team does not want to.



I am stating the team cannot keep both due to the value of safeties likely going to go up. In addition, there are other factors in play here; other players first and foremost.

 

...and none of that has anything to do with whether the team would want them. That was your initial assertion. I said it was silly. I didn't speak of contracts or other players or the phase of the moon. I said your assertion that because they were first rounders taken in the same draft that the team would not want them made little sense. You continue to try to justify that point by values and other factors. Crap. I was supposed to yield to this nonsense.

 

How is the team going to pay two safeties that will likely command top dollar?!?! Again, how will that even be possible?!?! Not including other players either?!

 

Someone else want to take a shot at this? Mr. Fixation just can't grasp the concept of a conflated argument.

Person 1: 2 + 2 = 4 apples.

Person 2: ...not if you're adding oranges.

Person 1: Of course it does. They're both round.

Person 2: What does being round have to do with it? That's functionally an incorrect statement.

Person 1: Huh? I said that 2 + 2 = 4 apples because apples and oranges are round. They have always been round. Why would anyone want a square fruit? Apples and oranges have always been round and people have always enjoyed them that way.

Person 2: I give up.

 

He didn't realize how well he had it here. serves him right.

 

@The Glory Days let me take a stab at this. @AskQuestionsLater let's put a pin in your responses for a moment while I provide a universal analogy. Tom Brady recently went on the free agency market for the first time in his career. At the moment it happened if you'd have asked 32 owners,GM's, and franchises if they would take Tom Brady on their team yes or no? I'm betting a universal acceptance of YES. Are there other factors to that question? Yep lots but for a yes or no answer it is simply yes. Now back to your discussion with The Glory Days before you started breaking everything down the basic premise was a team couldn't sign two first round players from the same draft class the simple response is yes they can if they want them. Everything you said after is just details and obstacles and does nothing to address that in a perfect world yes they want both.

Coincidentally we will get to see how this plays out in Cleveland shortly as Baker Mayfield and Denzel Ward will be up for 5th year options as well as extentsions

 

Have you seen the Browns history of two first round draft picks? That one will be one of their top 2 even if Mayfield busts...