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Who would you want backing up Ben?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Stone, Jan 20, 2020.

  1. Move up/trade to get a stud to replace or learn under him for 1 -2 years?

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    10.9%
  2. Move up/trade to get a solid veteran backup?

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    19.6%
  3. Stick with our illustrious threesome we currently have backing him up?

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    69.6%
  1. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    thanks.
     
  2. PWP

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    With the current OC I would say Brady,Fitzmagic, or Newton.. I have seen enough to know that our OC lacks vision and the ability to Teach different styles. So we need Vet QB play if we wan't to win now..If I could take any QB in the NFL that I could adapt a style towards and try to win Game Manager/Defense first I would take Dobbs..

    He has the ability to scramble..He has the ability to make throws on the run.. He has the ability to elude the rush ... This talent can be used in a certain type of system, but the playbook has to be oriented to his style...

    With a good running game and a good Defense he has enough talent to lead a Team to the promise land..With that said he would have failed miserably under Randy this past season...Do we need Dobbs ?Yes ,but only with the right guy at OC...So I say Vet QB like Brady and Fitz because of our current OC..
     
  3. Stone

    Stone Well-Known Member

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    Fitzpatrick, or any other veteran back up would be a stop gap measure. At this point, if Ben can't come back, or if he gets another unrelated injury, we are done just like last year. Imagine if Ben plays 10 or 11 games, has us at 7-3 or 8-3 and get hurt? I want someone who gives us a chance, and that person is not on the roster right now.
     
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  4. Stone

    Stone Well-Known Member

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    But here is the point.

    Fact #1, as you pointed out, Ben could be fragile.
    Fact #2, MR's fundamentals showed me he is not a capable back-up.
    Fact #3, add fact #1 and fact #2 together and we have a huge weakness which is hinging on an unknown.

    If Ben plays like he usually does we are fine. If he doesn't, or he gets a different injury, the season will be hard to watch and I had enough of that last year. I would prefer to defer the expense you reference and trade MR, DH, and PL for a solid veteran back-up. It's a one year stop gap fix because let's face it, we need our next elite QB after this year.
     
  5. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    This is what I have been saying, do I want to spend 5-7 mil on a back up heck no. However I just saw what happened when we didn't have a guy ready to step in. jmo
     
  6. NY STEELERFAN

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    Don't you know we are playing for a better draft pick and to make sure we get to 8 wins..............NICE RANT! :facepalm:
     
  7. Stone

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    I just don't think some people are grasping the precarious situation we are in at QB. We still have a top 5 QB who could take us all the way..........................but if he gets hurt, we have nothing. Add to that mix the fact that Ben's days are numbered and the bottom line is that we need to do whatever it takes to win "this year".
     
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  8. Hanratty#5

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    If you could take any QB in the NFL you would take the 3rd stringer for the pathetic Jaguars?
     
  9. Stone

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    I would rather rely on Duck than Dobbs.
     
  10. NY STEELERFAN

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    I agree with you I think you are right but like one poster said he would rather go with Mason and if that don't work get a better draft pick. Eff that we are a week before the super bowl and the last thing I am thinking about as a fan is my draft position in 2 drafts. I am all in I want these guys to play to win I want our front office to go all in with these last year or two of Ben. I mean we are coming off a season where we had one of the best defensive performances in a long time. Yeah we were loaded with injuries but at the end of the day we were one game short and QB was the main reason why.
     
  11. NY STEELERFAN

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    Oh boy this isn't going to go over good with a certain poster.....................:roflmao:
     
  12. Stone

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    When I think about it I have to ask....who the hell is our QB talent scout? Stevie Wonder? And why is anyone paying attention to him? First we waste a pick on a QB who is diametrically opposed to the way our offense is designed to run, and then we waste a pick on a QB at a time when we we're a player or two short on defense of having a complete team.
     
  13. NY STEELERFAN

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    Ray Charles..............
     
  14. Hanratty#5

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    I would too. Duck outplayed Dobbs in pre-season and he has a 3-3 record in 6 NFL starts. When your 3rd team QB can get the team to play .500 over a few games then you can't really expect more than that.
     
  15. steelersrule6

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    Maybe next time do some research, Fitzpatrick isn't a free agent, he's under contract with Miami for next season :facepalm:.
     
  16. Clive From PIT

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    I want another Lombardi, too, but (1) we may not have any years left with the Ben of old, and (2) “all in” likely requires contract & personnel moves with effects lasting years. I’m hesitant to handicap the team long-term for a win-it-all stance in 2020 with mortal-Ben or some expensive castoff leading us.
     
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  17. thesteeldeal

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    That’s the thing. Let’s say we scrape up 7-8 million dollars to pay a veteran back up. At the expense of what other players? There will be casualties and repercussions down the road in order to make that happen. So week 2 Ben attempts a pass and springs and paper clips fly from Ben’s elbow. So now what are the expectations of this journeyman FA QB? Is he expected to lead us to the SB? Highly doubtful. Can he win us 8-10 games? Possibly.
    Rudolph and Hodges won us 8 game between them. It’s not like either played lights out better than the other. So essentially that quality ( and I use that term loosely ) of QB play won us 8 games with poor OL play, virtually no running game and poor play calling. If we simply improve in those area...and Canada should help ( not the country). We would find ourselves in better position to win games. Without those improvements it won’t matter who the QB is.

    Wouldn’t we be in the same boat with or without a journeyman FA? IMO...yes. and we don’t mortgage any of the future for 1 miracle season.
     
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  18. Stone

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    Like I said, you seem to just want to argue. I said trade MR, DH, and PL for Fitzpatrick. Or is it forbidden to trade players who are under contract?

    Let's try another subject so you can feel better about arguing..... The sun rises in the east. Go ahead, argue.
     
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  19. steelersrule6

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    Why would Miami want those scrub QBs? They have 3 first round picks to get a young QB :facepalm:.
     
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  20. Stone

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    A minute ago you said it couldn't happen because he was under contract, now you say they wouldn't want those guys. Any other arguments you have to make your self look even more foolish?
     
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  21. NY STEELERFAN

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    I get what you are saying and I am not trying to be disrespectful to you but with that kind of thinking why have a QB making 33 mil the next 2 years? Why make the trade for Mincah, why trade draft picks to move up for Bush? These moves have been made for the big picture and that all starts at QB.

    Now I am not a cap specialist but I did stay at a holiday in express once........with that said the way I under stand it we can free up money. I posted in a few other posts with restructures, which the way I understand it is turning salary into signing bonus.......don't hold me to that. From OTC here are some restructure number only and what the savings is:

    Ben 9.977
    Tuitt 5.453
    DD 3.902
    Haden 2.977
    MP 3.477
    Nelson 3.715
    VW 1.527

    Total 31 mil

    https://overthecap.com/transactions-table/


    We could go all in without hurting us in the future.........
     
  22. NY STEELERFAN

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    I disagree :shrug::shrug::shrug: we did win 8 games but QB had nothing to do with it, our defense won most everything. I will say this if we got anything out of the QB spot we might have won 10-12 games. :shrug::shrug::shrug:

    I will agree Canada will be a help and not having ten thousand injuries will help as well. However after what I just watched this past year I don't think a vet QB would hurt anything. :drinks:
     
  23. thesteeldeal

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    So if Ben doesn’t make it back or gets hurt 3 games in ,this back up QB is gonna save our season? We simply don’t have the money to spend on a back up QB. At least not one who is worth mortgaging the future for. We can’t even afford Dupree or Hargrave at this point. 8 mil on a back up QB and we won’t be able to sign either.
     
  24. thesteeldeal

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    I know a lot of you guys don’t like the guy. I don’t think anything of him either way but he’s spot on with this article.
    Every year is different. You don’t simply plug Ben back in and the team instantly becomes a SB team. I think it ties in with the FA QB debate. TOs played a huuuge role in our D winning games. That’s not guaranteed to happen again.
    https://triblive.com/sports/mark-ma...roethlisberger-to-be-100-is-wishful-thinking/
     
  25. NY STEELERFAN

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    Come on man did you see MR and Duck play last season, heck yeah a vet is gonna make a difference. If we get anything close to another defensive performance and a few less injuries a vet QB IMO could be the difference between no playoffs and a SB. Yes that is a lot to dream but man we almost made the playoffs with possibly the worst QB play leading to pretty bad WR and RB play of any team in the NFL. As far as money it is there I just posted restructures that could free up 31 mil, add to that cuts to Barron(5.25), Foster(4), Chick(5) and Berry(1.8) there is another 15+ mil! :smiley1:

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