i am so sick of the standard is the standard

thats tomlins way of dealing with an injury (or missing player) ... easy to say but its meaningless words...
how did the standard hold up the last 2 games in denver without ryan clark? the standard is the standard but the standard is rarely met when a sub has to step up... now they are saying harrison and troy may be out sunday... wanna bet hos the standard will be met sunday without them.... it just seems we have so many injuries ... especially our OL... its like we lose one of them for the season before the season even starts... its almost ot the point of why even play the starters in the pre season games.. we run them out there for a series or 2.. what does that prove? they get no rythem of a game and have a chance to get hurt... spencer... DD.. lose 2 potential starters or a starer and guy that woud see lots of action and for what? i can see spencer and DD.. we got to see whart the rookies can do but why is ben in there at times when we are up 20 or down 20 with 3 minutes ot play? why is troy in there? harrison.. the list goes on and on... the next time i hear tomlin say "the standard is the standard' or "he represented himself well" i think i wil puke.. its almost liek you can take tomlins top 10 sayings.... not have him show to a presseer.. let the press ask a question and hit a button with one of his top sayings ...

HINES

 

Let's see:
Option 1 - The standard is the standard
Option 2 - We're doomed

I prefer option 1

 

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Or Option 3 - Yep - we lost because we were missing Ryan Clark and Harrison. We really SUCK without them and if they don't come back, we might not win a game this season.

I think I still like Option 1 better.

 

i guess i prefer the truth thank you...

HINES

 

we wil win games without those 2.. although ryan is back this week... but we wont beat denver in denver 80% of the time without ryan .. .guess we have lost 100% of the last 2 in denver...

HINES

 

I guess that is your prerogative, but after listening to Clowns coach after Clowns coach talk in Cleveland following loss after loss after loss, I'd much rather hear my coach say that there is an expectation of winning in Pittsburgh. That winning requires players to play to a certain standard and no matter who is in there, it is expected that player meet the standard of winning set by the last 40+ YEARS OF WINNING FOOTBALL! No excuses - no putting down players in PUBLIC - no discussion of whether or not an outcome would have been different had a different player been in there. It is what it is. The coaches expect a winning effort from EVERY player who puts on a uniform on Sunday - period. If you're tired of hearing that - then tune in to the many other post-game or mid-week press conferences from coaches who say what you want them to say. I want to hear my coach say he expects ALL of his players to play to the standard ALL the time!

 

WELL PUT!!!! Now thats living up to the STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!

 

If you don't like that one, How about "You play to win the game. Hello????"

"Playoffs?" Don't talk about Playoffs.

 

After reading mdb2s post a second and third time Im ready to put on a pair of pads and go out and knock heads even at 52.

Nice job mdb2!!!!!!

 

I think its funny when he says it. I also think its true. The backups get a check too. I know they r backups fir reason, but u would think they wound want to step up

 

It's easy to find fault with people, huh? Truth is, the standard is the standard. Sick, tired, injured, travel, refs...no excuses. The standard is the standard. Don't like it? Don't listen.

 

Well said. Sounds like the OP is frustrated with losses. Nothing can be done for people who don't place things in the proper perspective.

 

Nah... A good coach would say, "We're doomed." Or maybe, "Boy, I just hope Ryan Mundy allows fewer than 3 TDs. 2 will be good enough with me. If he only costs us 7 points, I'll wash his car for a year!"

 

Well all I can say is this. With sorry plays like Timmons chasing Manning. With no corner play. With no dominating and intimidating Steeler D the "standard" isn't really a lot to live up to anyway. BUT atleast since the "standard" seems to be in decline I suppose HINES can take comfort in the fact that he won't have to hear Tomlin saying that anymore because it will basically be lived up to by default.

 

People are flipping out over this. I've read people sobbing all over the place, and I think I'll finally weigh in, even though it will surely get me killed. How come Timmons is taking more blame than Jason Worilds? They showed a bunch of replays.

I know it looked bad, but think about it. Timmons was blitzing between the guard/tackle, charging the pocket toward the center of the field to nail Peyton. This is Peyton Manning we're talking about. He never leaves the pocket. He hadn't left it all game. He should be there. He's not a guy you need to be super cautious about charging, like Vick or Tebow. He expected him NOT to run outside not just because that'd be really weird, but also because he shouldn't be able to. There's another guy out there, right? Unfortunately, Jason Worilds faked himself off his own feet and spun right onto his ass. The RT didn't even have to block him. There was no contain at all because one of our players was sitting on his ass.

Now, Lawrence still didn't do a good enough job of breaking down and changing direction. He was clearly taken by surprise and did not adjust well. But it's hardly his fault Manning got away so easy. I think even if he'd handled the change perfectly, the best he could've done would be to tackle Peyton maybe around the line of scrimmage or some time before he got out. He couldn't have had a sack; the jump on him Manning had was too big. Then Timmons didn't catch him, but he only took like 3 serious steps and pulled back because it was obvious he was never going to get there before Manning reached the sidelines.

To me this is like a cornerback falling down in coverage (Worilds), leaving the WR wide open (Manning), and a safety (Timmons) showing up late and not making it in time to stop the touchdown. Since he's the one next to the guy catching the ball, he takes the blame from the fans and the announcer, and the CB that fell down at the beginning of the play is quietly on the sidelines getting overlooked. Yes, Timmons had a bad play. But the level of attention and ire it's drawing is crazy. In my mind, Timmons wasn't even the worst performer on that play, but I haven't read Worilds' name once.

I'm sure those that think I live to worship Lawrence Timmons will tar and feather me for this, but what I saw was a very common play. A blitzing LB coming up the middle, a QB taking advantage of the angles and momentum and making a very simple move to the outside. The only thing not ordinary about it was the name of the QB. But although he's not a runner, he's still great with his feet and the smartest out there.

Did anyone out there see what I did?

 

What irritated me about the play was that it seemed like Timmons was just jogging. I KNOW he is faster than that. I don't want our guys to be content to just let a guy get to the sideline. I want them to take EVERY opportunity to get ANY contact with the qb. What I have been saying this week is that I feel like people don't FEAR our defense any more. And I just think that Timmons has sorta become, even if it is unfair, the posterboy for that. I would give money to know how much crap Timmons has caught from Tomlin this week for that. But on another note I just got my Sunday Ticket ordered! Only 5 payments of $40! Woo Hoo!

 

He definitely gave up on the play, but I think the issue is that he knew Peyton was going for the sidelines and he had no chance of getting him. I'm not saying that's alright because I'm all about hustle myself, but I think it might have looked closer on tv than it really was. And he's a hustling guy. He has a good motor on him. He was probably just really frustrated with that play, like the rest of us.

 

I honestly screamed at my wife "HE LOOKS LIKE CASEY HAMPTON"!!! She then looked at me and said "who is casey hampton"? Then I just stared blankly....

 

I've seen big Casey run down a RB and get him out of Bounds. He can motor when he has to.

 

At the risk of ruining a some solid ranting and raving going on in this thread I would like to point out that(now I can't speak for the OP) what he may be trying to get at is that it isn't the tried platitude that bugs him so much but rather that it is quite obvious that the standard has eroded over the years. It is one thing for Tomlin to answer a question with the Standard is the Standard when Tyrone Carter steps in to play safety in Denver a number of years ago and has a pick as well as a successful game filling in for an injured teammate. It somewhat praises Carter for his good play but doesn't focus on what a good job he did, the coaches did r even Tomlin for choosing him over another player. On the other hand if that same question is posed after Sunday's game about Mundy and you get the same response it sounds somewhat hollow and more like an excuse because instead of a Mundy upholding a standard of high level play he has had a mediocre showing that is covered by the catch all platitude.

Yes the standard is the standard but unlike in years past where there has been high quality back-ups waiting in the wings for their chance to step up and shine it has become apparent that it is hard to consistently find that sort of depth. The bar is being moved lower and lower in Standard is the Standard department so it is no longer hey this player stepped in when called upon and he could do as well or in some cases better than the injured teammate to well he stepped in and we got the win to in some cases on the OL that he stepped in and Ben didn't get killed. At some point a decision has to be made to address the talent you are assembling behind your starters and whether they can continue to uphold your "Standard" or if moves need to be made.

 

That's what I was trying to say in my post. As far as the way Tomlin adresses the media he reminds me quite a bit of Belichek. They have both mastered the art of saying nothing. I've heard Al Michaels talk about how he thinks Tomlin is cool and he's just a guy who "gets it" and I always wonder how anyone in the media could like him because he basically just says the standard(sorry) answers to all the questions.

 

I'm with ya md. Living in Canton I hear all of the cleveland sports talk too and it's depressing. We absolutely hold our players to a higher standard. It has almost become the norm for teams like cleveland to lose game after game and they can't seem to figure out why it's happening. Excuse after excuse. It's all about the standard put in place.

 

My biggest problem with this play is that Timmons appeared to gain no ground on Manning when he had the opportunity. Not that he didn't get him. There was enough of a window to at least reel him in by a few steps, but Manning appeared to maintain the distance the whole time. Of course, this is only my recollection as I don't have the play in front of me to review.