When do we need to have THE TALK?

For sure, but when the same problems surface every year, then you have to look to the coaches. Players are responsible for game-to-game problems, coaches are responsible for problems that reoccur for years.

I'm definitely not saying fire Tomlin, that's ridiculous at this point, but I do think Lebeau needs to go after this season, unless something drastically changes because it doesn't look like he knows how to stop teams in this new NFL. Perhaps the game has passed him by, it happens.

 

The thing that bothers me most about Tomlin is that he seems somewhat indecisive at times. For instance, Jonathan Dwyer should have started that game last night and should have gotten most of the carries. Redman started and got the running game off to a crawling start. Those first few carries of the game set the tone and I think Dwyer is more explosive and gives us an opportunity to get us off to a good start. Redman did nothing last night, 11 carries for 22 yards or so, a whopping 2 ypc. Dwyer on the other hand averaged almost 4.8 ypc on only 9 carries. We abandoned the run when we didn't have to. Also, Cortez Allen should have started over Keenan Lewis. Lewis just looked soft. I realize Allen didn't have the greatest game last night but I think he won the job in the pre-season. Tomlin seems to make his mind up early a lot of times and seems reluctant to change it.

 

I could not agree more! That's why I like Belicheck (yes I said that I like belicheck) is because he puts the team before the player and knows that if a guy has even lost a LITTLE it's time to put in the guy with a full tank. That's exactly why the Pats are contenders all the time. Tomlin absolutely lacks the backbone of Belicheck.

 

Me neither. And that was not the point of the thread. But the fact that many posters are jumping on here maybe suggests this thought is now poppoing up in the back of our minds.

 

I think he meant "lose" not "loose" but your post was funny.

 

Did I miss something?? Did the Steelers get blown out? Even though they didn't play well at times, with 1:58 left to play they were in a postion to win at the end. It didn't work out, they lost, it sucks.

 

Stop interrupting our angry tantrums with reason. [/quote:3pmvy7k0]

LOL and you would have to reply so fast, I was hoping to edit my post before too many people seen it. As soon as I hit submit, I thought oh crap they weren't down by 3.

 

Stop interrupting our angry tantrums with reason. [/quote:28uhi00h]

LOL and you would have to reply so fast, I was hoping to edit my post before too many people seen it. As soon as I hit submit, I thought oh crap they weren't down by 3.[/quote:28uhi00h]

Well, you were accurate before the pick 6 anyway.[/quote:28uhi00h]

I believe they were down by 5 with about 3 minutes to play

Bman

 

I am not for getting rid of any of the coaching staff as of now. My concern is the inconsistancy in preparation for games. They come out in one game with fire and look like they could whip the world. Other games they come out looking like they had been passing a joint in the locker room. Players must execute for the game plan to be successful. However, it is the coaches responsibility to make sure that they are prepared and confident. Motivation. My other concern is the adjustments or lack thereof. It seems as of the last couple of seasons that there are no or minimal adjustments to the scheme. I have no answers just my observations.

 

LOL and you would have to reply so fast, I was hoping to edit my post before too many people seen it. As soon as I hit submit, I thought oh crap they weren't down by 3.[/quote:w2v50g1x]

Well, you were accurate before the pick 6 anyway.[/quote:w2v50g1x]

I believe they were down by 5 with about 3 minutes to play

Bman[/quote:w2v50g1x]

They were down by 6 with 3 minutes left, but Bens pick 6 ended any last second heroics to win the game, giving up an 80 yard TD to Thomas cost us the game, Manning throws a little 5 yard pass and Thomas turns it into an 80 yard TD run, just like he did last year, now thats pathetic...

 

Which one? The one about sex? I think its long overdue because the Steelers got F'd last night.

Bman

 

Well, you were accurate before the pick 6 anyway.[/quote:62m8slop]

I believe they were down by 5 with about 3 minutes to play

Bman[/quote:62m8slop]

They were down by 6 with 3 minutes left, but Bens pick 6 ended any last second heroics to win the game, giving up an 80 yard TD to Thomas cost us the game, Manning throws a little 5 yard pass and Thomas turns it into an 80 yard TD run, just like he did last year, now thats pathetic...[/quote:62m8slop]

Still dont get it. The game ended by a margin of 12.. 7 + 5 = 12 ... Unless the Broncos missed the point after on the pick six? I dont know because I shut the gd TV off lol

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Bman

 

They were down by 6 with 3 minutes left, but Bens pick 6 ended any last second heroics to win the game, giving up an 80 yard TD to Thomas cost us the game, Manning throws a little 5 yard pass and Thomas turns it into an 80 yard TD run, just like he did last year, now thats pathetic...[/quote:3a0chz0j]

Still dont get it. The game ended by a margin of 12.. 7 + 5 = 12 ... Unless the Broncos missed the point after on the pick six? I dont know because I shut the gd TV off lol

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Bman[/quote:3a0chz0j]
It was 25- 19 after a Denver field goal with 3:00 left in the 4th. After the pick six they missed the two point conversion. 31-19.[/quote:3a0chz0j]

Thanks TTF.. My head is not right today.. DOH

Bman

 

The original post certainly didn't come across the way I wanted it to. Basically, all I am saying is that for the first time a real red flag is starting to pop up for me in regards to Tomlin. I am not advocating a HC move, and I do not believe there will be one any time soon. But I was wondering when does a "discussion" on Tomlin's job performance go from nonexistent to moderate to serious? For me, for the first time, the gauge has moved in between nonexistent and moderate. In no way is this meant to suggest a "serious" call for Tomlin to be axed. Not at all.

 

For most of last season and then last night's game, I have seen this exact same thing. But i don't see an inconsistency. I see a team that simply struggles--out of synch and error-prone, game after game. Ever since the Pats win in mid-season last year, it's been very difficult to watch this team. But injuries have played a part in this, too.

 

Wasn't the Browns schedule weaker? They were playing the last place teams

 

Spoken like a true Obama supporter. Never mind we continually mire with the same issues year in, year out. Are faced with huge problems, leave it to Tomlin to come out with a witty quote and everyone bows at the Steeler alter. This sounds incredibly like our current President. All the problems you are seeing are due to hurricanes, earthqakes, droughts, the previous administration, etc. etc. yet none is not directly his fault. Tomlin is incredibly similar to this. He is out there on the field. He seems or has the appearance that he is doing the right things, but challenge after challenge and year after year, he is underachieving when it comes to preparation, game management and vision. Sure, we have went to a couple of SB's under his reign, but was it really his coaching?

I'm not saying throw the bum out because clearly, many in this country have a hard time identifying true bums, err, underachievers. All to often we applaud mediocrity and can live with 50-50.

Unless he quits, he will suckle at the teat of the Steelers organization for years to come and we all know how that will end. Frankly, I am not drinking his Kool-aid. He looks like a deer caught in the headlights and remains clueless. What other reasons are there that the Steelers cannot fix some obvious problems that continually plague this team year in, year out, and when oh when will he take responsibility for not doing the job he is being paid to do?

rutan