The punch fumble?

Already addressed my post so there is no confusion.

I don't celebrate dirty play but a player runnimg around throwing haymakers as you say will be ejected.

The OP was saying what if a player misses the ball and hits a rib.

I say the OP has absolutely no time playing football. At least not tackle football.

Football is a top many fast moving parts in a given play for that to even be deemed dangerous.

It's not boxing.

If the defender is stationary rearing back to punch a player in the ribs... Lol.. He'll get run over or run by while the ball carrier is laughing.

If he has a grasp on the player and can punch the ball out.. OK... If he misses it's not a hard enough punch to do anything. Why? He's running with the ball carrier who is also running that can change direction, angle etc. The puncher is not setting his feet and pushing off driving home a right hook to the body.


This is the most ridiculous thread on player saftey I've ever seen.

Perhaps if the OP actually played the game he'd realize just how improbable...as in nearly impossible...hia little theory Actually is to pulling off

 

Detroit's defense did this several times against KC. It's definitely taught, used and works. You have to secure the tackle also though.

 

From OP: "...it opens a loophole for dirty players to throw a punch, for the sole purpose of throwing a punch, and having it be within the rules."

Reply to the OP after actually reading what was said. And then, before you assume to know something about strangers here and make an ass of yourself, stop and do something else. It's been addressed in another thread already that just because you haven't played football, you still have the ability to make sense of the game and to comment on it. First, who cares if the OP hasn't played (besides you) and why does that mean he can't have a valid opinion? If you disagree, then fine. But other than disagreeing and giving your counter-point, you can stuff it.

I HAVE played football in high school and college. I have also coached high school football. I have participated in turnover drills as well as coached them. Strip, over-hand club, punching, chop, and grab & pull. Even at full speed, there is force behind them. And all require precision at full speed. Trust me, if a high school athlete can target a football at full speed and attack it, a professional athlete can certainly hit someone in the ribs if they want to while "going for the ball". Someone with as much organized football experience as yourself should have known that.

 

Glory Days: What are the coaching techniques being taught to counter the punching at the football? (I am curious because the punch/chop at the ball seems to be more prevalent). There is a fine line between ball security and trying to get more yards after a catch. Instinct is to get as many yards as possible, but sometimes the receiver needs to get to the turf.

 

Haven't coached it for a while, but we stressed 5 points of contact.

1) Two schools of thought are on hand placement. We taught separation of the fingers around the tip of the football instead of having the index finger over the point. Hand placement is the foundation for properly securing the ball.

2) Forearm pressure applied upward by turning wrist in once ball is tucked. Secures ball from being chopped down.

3) Bicep pressure applied by lifting nose of ball up and squeezing into bicep. Point of ball should be up and wrist should be above elbow.

Secures ball from being punched from behind.

4) Chest pressure applied by turning the ball into the chest. Once fingers are separated over the point, the wrist is turned in to apply forearm pressure and the nose is turned up to squeeze the ball against the bicep, the ball is secured against the chest. Secures ball from strip/rip as forearm and bicep pressure are engaged in opposite direction as strip/rip.

5) Opposite arm wrap applies pressure down across exposed part of football. Secures ball when going to ground or being tackled. If all 5 points are engaged, there is no clean shot to the ball.

And yes, the instinct is to grind out as much yardage as possible. But that is why I keep harping on situational awareness. It was always a point of emphasis for us to be smart with the ball, not just secure. In JuJu's case, the same route that produced a touchdown in the first half turned into the game changing fumble in overtime. He took a risk with a stiff arm in the first half and it paid off. But in overtime, the risk/reward of that stiff arm and sloppy ball security wasn't worth it.

Look back at the punch out. You will see the middle of the ball exposed, front and back. Ball was secured across the point and the forearm looked like it was engaged. 2 points of contact. The bicep likely wasn't engaged as the point wasn't up and the ball definitely wasn't pulled across the chest. JuJu is a pro, and pros don't have to do all the little things that high school kids do. But there were fundamental things that he could have done to secure the ball better than what he did.

But like I said, we stressed being smart with the ball, not just secure. In that situation, JuJu had already gotten the first down. He had won the battle and the team was moving the ball with more than 6 minutes on the clock and only a field goal away from a victory. Not the right time to take chances.​

 

I don't give a **** if he played. I'm not a person running around on message boards asking to see resumes.
When I said about his lack of experience it wasnt in a malicious manner. If you think so then you should write a book on some freak ability knowing the tone of a text.




My reply about him playing or lack of it is because what he's suggesting that could happen....

Just is NOT possible.

If he played the game he'd clearly understand that his "what if" would turn into a "not possible "


Back to the resume thing...

Hilarious that you say on one hand it doesnt matter if someone played yet turn right around and tell us all your experience that nobody asked for.




This topic is a joke.


Punching at the ball? A loophole?


What's the loophole players will just now figure out that they couldbt see this loophole 20,30,40 plus years ago.


And I got to tell you...

If you really played as much as you claim then it must have been in Jupiter or Mars.

Punching at a ball while a player is running, while you are running... Going to now in a deceitful fashion break ribs?

Jack Tatum didn't do it.

Apparently he couldn't find that loophole that players will use now.


WTFE...


Silliest discussion ever on player saftey!!!!

 

Wow, I really struck a nerve. Look, I don't want to fight with you. I'm sorry I made this personal and attacked you. It just bugs me when people try to silence others on a message board when they have something on their mind. So what if the OP sees something very differently. It was on his mind and he brought it here to discuss. It's okay not to agree, but not okay to say he has no basis for bringing up the topic.

And on a side note, I only brought up my experience because it seemed important to you. I was commenting based on my experience, not opinion.

 

Let's see...

He spoke an opinion on a subject and I along with others offered ours.

Period. Nothing more.

You don't know what experience I have in the game and the reason being is because it's not important..... unless a subject is brought up that the only way you'd truly understand it is if you've actually played the game. The tackling full contact game.

If the OP had played, he never would have thought the possibility even existed on this scenario or that the likelihood of it actually happening is so miniscule that this issue really isn't an issue whatsoever.

Again, not being malicious but if the issue really was of concern about a player and his ribs then what should have been brought up is the kicking game.

What about it? Well there's a pesky defender out there killing our offense who also rushes our punt and fg/PAT kicks. The kicker is now going to use the loophole to actually aim to kick the SOB right in the ribs as he's coming in for a block attempt.

A kick to the rib area woukd be a far greater concern that someone moving toward the kicker and the actual kicker can really rear back and kick with all his power right into the player mid section who is actually moving directly into that powerful kick.

Oh my dear lord the safety. The safety.

He's going to use this loophole to get that player out of the game so maybe our offense can have a chance then.

Oh dear the safety. The damn loopholes.


Seriously...
Come the fukc on...

This

is

NOT

an

issue......




PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

If it's such a non issue...if it's so far beneath your standards that it doesn't belong on these message boards...if it harms the very existence of free speach as we know it...

Then why do you keep showing up here, perpetuating the very dialogue that you abhor?

Why don't you troll somewhere else?

Good grief.