Fire Tomlin ?

Fact is...We squeaked out a win in a game we were dominating...We dominated the last 3 weeks and LOST...Granted Boz attributed to that big time...But Tomlin is just as guilty, moreso...He's the head guy...Making the same coaching blunders..

They'll never get rid of Tomlin...Until Tomlin calls it quits...Which I think is wrong, Because he has cost us so many games...But that non-losing record though

 

Not you per say but I don't think some people understand that football is a team sport. Especially when someone says a coach has a franchise/HOF QB he should be expected to win. Even with a HOF/franchise QB it's not easy to win a Superbowl. Several HOF QB's never won a SB. Some HOF QB's only one won. There are QB's playing today that are better than Ben that only won one SB.

The league was a much different place today then in the Cowher era. Cowher was a good coach even though some people complained about him endlessly and believed he would never win a SB.

A lot of QB's are going to be franchises QB's under the current rules and structure of the league.

 

I mean we finally beat NE... still work to do to make the playoffs. I still say we fire him if we miss. It will depend on the rest of the season tho.

We have the team to go all the way. If we squeak into the playoffs, then make it to the AFC Championship game or the Super Bowl theres no way we can fire him. No chance. However if we miss or luck into the playoffs and get embarrassed... we may see a different picture

 

I think

Stating that 2 of the last 20 something Super Bowls were won bye a back-up QBs should end all discussion? I was talking about Flacco and Foles when I said 15 of the last 17, didn’t wanna go as far back as Hofstetler, lol. But I get it, after Tomlin screwed the pooch and lost 2 of the last 3 games he should have won, all,the Tomlin backers wanna brigade now that they have something to hang their hat on. You have your opinion, I have mine. I personally think Tomlin is a C+ coach, with an A+ offense, with a C+ defense, and a grade F special teams. I also stated If he wins another Super Bowl before Ben retires, he gets a 5 year pass from me no matter what his record is after that.

 

Roger that. Thought you were calling me out, lol. I apologize, and agree with you in parts. Just got a little heated with people pulling this post up after the win, instead of enjoying it. I know some people like Tomlin a lot more than me, but I understand he is better than 60% of the coaches out there, but the expectations around here are high. It is after all the greatest sports franchise ever.

 

Where are you getting that he's lost 19 challenges in a row?

 

Not to get in the way of a good narrative, But I think Today was Tomlin's 10th consecutive losing challenge, not his 19th.

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/12/16/steelers-patriots-punt-challenge

"The ruling on the field was subsequently upheld, and Tomlin lost a timeout — and his 10th straight challenge. The 46-year-old has not won a challenge in over two years."

 

Well when we actually break down why the team loss then it's easier to understand. The losses were not 100% on the coaches.

Yeah I support Tomlin because he is the coach of the team. I will back him until I believe he isn't a good coach. He's proven to be a very good coach.

Again, I don't know how a C+ coach helps a team win a SB, play in another, never have a losing season, win 123 games for a .657 win % ect. I'd agree with you if you were talking about Marvin Lewis. Tomlin's teams have been as good or better than most teams during his time period. Only BB has clearly better. I just don't understand some people's thought processes.

Peyton and Caroll must be C coaches in your book too right? Tomlin is as good as those guys when it comes to winning games. My opinion is that they are all better than C's.

 

Crawl back in your hole.

 

You can't prove wrong in an opinion.

 

I really don’t follow the Saints or Seahawks that close. I would have to look at their W-L record against the spread and teams they were favored against. Carroll May go down a grade just for that boneheaded play call in the Super Bowl against the Cheatriots, though.

 

Facts generally override opinions.

 

Who is perfect? What coach doesn't have shortcomings?

 

Exactly. He's been throwing that around in a couple threads. A quick google search proves he's full of ****.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/TomlMi0.htm

 

I still stay with better coaching this team atleast 10-3-1

 

I don't follow the spreads. That's for gamblers. Every team in the league has the talent to beat your team.

 

With less turnovers or a better FG kicker the team could have more wins.

 

wow looking at this chart really shows how the team between 2012 and 2013 went off and the def suffered

 

True, any given Sunday and all that, but there’s a reason for spreads, and why sportsbooks make money and not lose it over the long haul. And losing to a 14 point dog says something. I don’t know if the approach is “well, they suck, so let’s start putting in the New England game plan to have extra time to prepare for the Cheatriots, we can use that to beat the Raiders” or what. If that is the thinking, it plays right into logic of any given Sunday, and bites this team right in the butt.

 

Agreed.
I think about the Chargers. They've had Brees and Rivers as QB since 2002. Most years, the pundits talk about how much talent is on that team. In 2006 they were the best team in the league (regular season), and 2nd best in 2009... They've never made the Super Bowl. Playoffs 6 times, compared to 11 times by the Steelers in the same amount of time. (Maybe this is the year it is different?)

 

I suppose if you witness something enough then you would realize that it's the norm for the league. Every team has the talent to beat your team. The league is designed that way. Teams that don't play well enough can get beaten by any team regardless of record, rankings, ect. It's been proven over and over again. It's not just been the Steelers on the losing end of bad losses.

Maybe the record isn't as abysmal as you believe? The Steelers haven't been far and away better than the competition that they faced. How do we measure that anyway? It basically boils down to how a team performs on game day.

I don't like to place all my focus on the negatives. Focusing on the negatives would cloud my judgement and make my experience of the Steelers terrible win or lose.

 

There are a lot of QB's better than Eli that never won a SB. He helped his team win two.