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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by MattyMo9, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Steelers '08

    Steelers '08 Well-Known Member

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    True, but he’s been pretty bad the last two games. I will say both teams have good defensive fronts, but we have a good offensive line so he should be able to find holes. He’s just not seeing any of the holes right now. It’s like he’s being to impatient.

    Not trying to bring up Bell at length, but it would of been nice to have him as a backup. If Conner wasn’t going good just insert Bell. One of them would be getting some chunks of yards. Oh well Conner will hopefully get back to what he was doing. I will say a lot of it is the offensive line for Conner and Bell. Just opening huge wholes.
     
  2. Jares

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    I think the only thing wrong with Conner is that he lost something when Bell's season officially became over. I don't know if he was playing with a chip on his shoulder to start the season and now that chip is gone or what. You see the same kind of thing when players get paid. They no longer have that attitude about them. Conner may have fell into that spot. He's had two really bad weeks in a row. I've been one of his biggest supporters and I still am. But we're going to find out a lot about him over the rest of this season. Can he recover from this or his confidence shot beyond repair like Artie Burns? I'm rooting for him and I have to believe that if he can make it through cancer then he can get his confidence back and that attitude he played with through the first half of the season. We're going to learn a lot starting next week.
     
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  3. MattyMo9

    MattyMo9 Well-Known Member

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    I had a few hot Tahtis yesterday getting over a cold so I apologize for some irrational and poorly worded posts. This is why I love this board though, they allow you to vent without getting delete crazy.

    Conner is struggling but he’s all we got so let’s hope he gets better. Ben also has Blame here he wasn’t good yesterday. Coaching and the D sucked too. Rough game one that probably cost us a bye week because there ain’t no way in hell we are beating NO
     
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  4. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    OK we should be getting rid of Ben, he threw 2 int's he has thrown lots of int's thruout his career.
     
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  5. MattyMo9

    MattyMo9 Well-Known Member

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    Obviously we are not getting rid of them nor should we. Classic overreaction on my part just rewatched parts of the game. You won’t win many losing the turnover battle 0-4
     
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  6. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I wondered that too. Although he didn't get too many opportunities yesterday, so difficult to say,, but he doesn't seem quite as sharp the last two games. Maybe it's just season wear and tear as well.
     
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  7. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    But if they didn't trust JC they would not have given him the ball right there with the game on the line. Yeah they did give up on the run only because the pass was working. If Ben could of hit them long passes this would have been a different outcome. I don't think it had anything to do with not trusting JC, it was just what the defense was giving up and it was in the pass game.
     
  8. Formerscribe

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    I understand your thinking. They just weren't willing to put a game in his hands, which is something they did often with Bell.

    To me, it is the only way the play calling makes sense. The Steelers were clearly worried about protecting Roethlisberger, as demonstrated by throwing so many short passes. Another way to address that issue is to run the ball and stopping the run had been a big issue for the Broncos this season. the Steelers had plenty of possessions and they were never down by more than seven, and that wasn't until the fourth quarter.

    I have a hard time criticizing the play-calling when the offense moved the ball so well and left so many points on the field due to poor execution. They had a blocked field goal and four turnovers, all of them in Denver territory and two of them inside the three-yard-line. I'm sure some analysts will talk about a bend-but-don't-break defense, and Denver did some of the things that make that work. The Broncos contested almost every play and tackled extremely well most of the game. That said, the Steelers should have easily had another 17-to-21 points when you take into account the sloppy mistakes that took points off the scoreboard. If I remember correctly, the two incomplete passes with wide receivers all alone down the field were on separate possessions from the turnovers and the missed field goal. That's arguably seven drives that the Steelers had great opportunities to score and got nothing. You just can't win playing that way.
     
  9. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    One thing that stands out to me about the run game is this. We had no success running up the middle but the few times we went outside JC had big runs and then we never went back to that. I noticed this in a few other games as well not sure what the deal is but we are better off tackle than we are inside the guards. jmo
     
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  10. CK 13

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    How is Conner wearing down? 13 attempts for 53 yards, 4 catches for 42 yards. 13 attempts? You all think that's enough? Ok, he fumbled. Like that has never happened in the history of the NFL.

    Play calling has something to do with it. Establishing a run game has something to do with it. Game planning has something to do with it. When your chasing from behind has something to do with it.

    All you rap giant fans please go follow the team he will be playing for next year. It won't be the Steelers.

    When Conner rips it up in the upcoming games don't be all like I Love me some James Conner. The kid has my vote, and really he is the starting running back of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

    Oh, and back to reality, who was our QB throwing it to? The nose of the donkeys? Maybe they should have tried to run the ball so close down there.
     
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  11. MattyMo9

    MattyMo9 Well-Known Member

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    O Line has not been great these last two games. They need to find themselves quickly.

    Our road to 7 pretty much ended yesterday though because we needed that bye week. No way we are beating both NE and KC on the road
     
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  12. HeinzMustard

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    Conner's fumble was the least offensive, IMO. The Grimble fumble basically took 7 points off the board.... and Ben's INT took another 7 off the board. 14 points left on the field. No excuse for that.
     
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  13. tyler christopher

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    Did you say ridley? Try samuel........... Ridleys a bum
     
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  14. FootballAnalyst98

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    He's making the pro bowl because of fans like the people on this board. He has more votes than ANTONIO BROWN. Everyone is elevating him higher than what he is and we know why. He's a good player and has been a top ten back this yr but like I said I even saw people here say he was better than Zeke, Saquon, kamara, and hunt and only todd Gurley was better. Seriously?
     
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  15. tyler christopher

    tyler christopher Well-Known Member

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    Those guys do not fumble............ Period......... Leveon bell does not fumble............ Connor is a nice back, Thats it......
     
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  16. JAD

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    I also have a hard time criticizing the overall play calling when we left so many points on the field. However I believe you can't get any consistency running the ball on so little carries. When the running game is going good the offensive linemen and running backs get in a groove and get better at it the more they run. When you only run like 15 times a game you can't get the running game going at full throttle.

    Also I do criticize the play calling at the goal. This is two games in a row they should of ran more at the goal line. I'll take JC with a fullback with 3 chances from the 2 rather then 3 chances with Ben throwing from the 2 in tight windows to 5 10 AB or Switzer. Remember Ben did the same in the NE game, he did it again against the Jags last weak but it was called back because of pass interference, and he did again against the Broncos. No excuse for not running at least 2 times down there with the time left.
     
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  17. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Bell fumbled three times last season.
     
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  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Bell made the Pro Bowl last year and JC has better numbers. You're the one that keeps making it about his history/back story.

    I think people like you and others that have a hard time admitting how good JC is, are the people who probably thought it was a bad drat pick and can't let it go. You didn't see him as a good back then and still not ready to admit it now. Maybe you'll admit it when he does it for a few seasons but I doubt it.
     
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  19. FeedTheMachineFTM

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    I guess Bettis is a bum too,
    Guy fumbled at the goal line in Indy , what a bum !

    RB’s fumble
    QBs throw picks
    James Conner is the Steelers future and will be an all pro RB !
     
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  20. Formerscribe

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    It's a bit much to say he's going to be an All-Pro. You do realize that would mean being among the top two backs in the NFL, right? He's good, but not at that level.

    Bettis had not fumbled at all that entire 2005 season. That was his one fumble that year. It's not an accurate comparison to Conner this year.
     
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  21. FootballAnalyst98

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    And you were one of the ones who said you'd take him over those guys which is laughable. He is good I said he was top ten. But I can name several backs that are better than him. And he has better numbers through the first few games but why are you even mentioning leveon? I'm talking about him amongst the current RBS now. He can flop like he has been the last few games because we are playing good teams now. Not the Bengals, browns, falcons, and most of those bad teams we played on the win streak. Plus now the pressure is on him. He isnt just the fill in guy anymore. Now its expected of him to perform as the former guy isnt coming back. It's very easy to perform with no expectations and when no defenses are looking out for you. He is a one dimensional guy. He doenst have good hands. He cant run the route tree and be split our wide or in the slot like the other elites can. He cant really run outside. Hes a oldschool between the tackles power back with some decent speed. Not game changing talent and skill like I see out of a Gurley, Zeke, Kamara, saquon, kareem hunt, McCaffrey, etc...
     
  22. HeinzMustard

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    Not defending Conner's fumbles, but Willie Parker was getting most of the carries in '05.
     
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  23. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I know, but one isolated mistake is not the same thing as a series of mistakes.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

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    What’s laughable is you can’t keep track of who you talk to, I never said that. Either that or you flat out lied.

    What’s laughable is you say JC doesn’t have good hands, what the hell are you watching?

    What’s laughable is you saying JC would only make the pro bowl based on his story when he has better numbers than Bell. You bring up every player under the sun during a debate and I can’t bring up the guy you slobbered over all year?
     
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  25. Jball

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    you're right, he actually showed up for work.
     
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