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Winners and loser

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Jmos3, Nov 18, 2018.

  1. MojaveDesertPghFan

    MojaveDesertPghFan Obscured by clouds

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    Come on JEH, that's like asking Nixon to listen to 18 minutes of a certain tape recording. ;)
     
  2. TheTerribleOwl

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    The late INT never happens if they hadn't held Switzer so I don't think that is the refs bailing out the Steelers. That is the refs doing their jobs and calling an obvious penalty.
     
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  3. Busman

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    And the soul disagree is Heinz lol.. That's a shocker lol
     
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  4. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT I'm starting to drink the Koolaid! Site Admin

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    Calling it...destiny.
     
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  5. SteelerGlenn

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    Not surprised
     
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  6. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    Winners:

    Tomlin and the coaching staff for adjustments.
    Hargrave
    4th quarter Ben
    Vance

    Losers

    McCullers, not sure why he was on the field so much so early but he sux and he needs to be gone. Hargrave showed he needs to play as much as possible.

    1st 2nd & 3rd quarter Ben....man was he bad

    Fliers wow was he bad today and I am one who was sticking up for him in the past

    Dupree, went against Flowers and should have had a career day

    Ref's we got some calls but man the roughing the passer calls no call are disgusting.

    Offensive game plan...not sure we had one in the first half

    Run defense this was talked about a lot before this game and we looked bad.
     
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  7. Formerscribe

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    All the talk about not needing Gilbert back needs to stop. Feiler was fine the last few weeks, but he is not as good as Gilbert. In fact, he is better at guard.

    Hargrave is definitely among the winners, though he whiffed badly on Bortles' spin move to keep the Jags' one touchdown drive alive. They seem reluctant to play him every down, but he has played well all season.
     
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  8. thorn058

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    I think they like the anchor's size and strength but it makes you wonder if Chuks would have been a better choice to get some snaps
     
  9. Steel Hog

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    Actually they were able to do a lot of talking very easily for all but 5 seconds of this game. This was a miracle win for us. Also, thank you refs.
     
  10. Lizard72

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    The facemask on Switzer was blatant. He damn near took his helmet off (along with his head) then came across and made the pick.

    Just saw it on sportscenter. I don't know how you can tell that a guy that gets his helmet torqued like that was diving.

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  11. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Exactly. The whole idea the refs gave us this game is nonsense. They were atrocious for both sides. The Switzer call was correct, and if he isn’t fouled it’s likely not an interception.
     
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  12. SteelBucsPens 4 Life32

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    Feiler played his worst game since filling in for Gilbert, but maybe a very talented Jax DL had something to do with Feiler's performance.
     
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  13. NY STEELERFAN

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    Yeah Feiler did have a bad game but for a back up he has played very nicely and let's not forget that was a pretty good defense we played. As for Hargrave he played the best we have seen for our middle and to point out one play is petty. Every single player has at least 1 play they don't look good. I would gladly give him a pass on that if it means we will never see McShiiters anymore!!!!!!
     
  14. thesteeldeal

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    They are a very good defense and athletic along the DL more than your typical run stoppers. I think the OL played ok and a lot of the pressure was generated by Ben having to repeatedly pump fake and hold the ball because all his primary reads were being covered.
    Although Tomlin claims they made no adjustments . I think one of the biggest ones was trying to get JUJU on Ramsey where he was able to use his size and physicality against him. The other adjustment that wasn't a adjustment I guess was putting Dangerfield in the game to help against the run.

    I'm one of the biggest pessimists around but even I don't get the disappointment in some of the posters after a incredible comeback win . On the road against a team that has owned us as of late,far from perfect execution against a desperate team playing for their post season lives. Man what's not to like....
    We complain when the refs screw us but now we aren't satisfied when they actually call a game correctly.
    There wasn't one call that shouldn't of been called that won us that game. The players and coaches deserve a lot of credit for pulling that game out......and we did it by not making any adjustments ;)
     
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  15. BK99

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    Maybe it is just me but some things I noticed. Ramsey is really good, I'm not denying that but it seems he gets away with a lot of grabbing and contact. AB had a 3rd and 11 pass broken up but it wasn't, it was a drop as it bounced right off of his chest. The INT in the end zone Ramsey went over top and AB never got his arms up and in slow motion it almost looked like he didn't see the ball coming. It also seems that when we play a team with solid CBs, Ben starts trying to force the ball to AB rather than taking the check down but I could be wrong.
     
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  16. uncblue012

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    Agreed, 100%. I will say, people online act like Ramsey played like a God when he was dusted on the 78-yarder and was out-maneuvered several times on what would have likely been deep bombs had Ben's head been on right the first half.
     
  17. Formerscribe

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    Of course that was part of it. He played most of the game opposite Campbell, who is a beast. He abused Hubbard in the regular-season game last season, which Gilbert also missed.

    Feiler is a very good backup and a strong candidate to take over at left guard if Foster leaves as a free agent. I'm just saying that there is a drop-off in play when he is in there for Gilbert.
     
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  18. mac daddyo

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    7-2-1.:smiley1::cool:
     
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  19. Formerscribe

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    It is not petty to point out a huge mistake. He came clean up the middle and didn't even get a hand on Bortles. Everybody is going to have bad plays. I certainly don't have a problem with how Hargrave played. He was outstanding.
     
  20. Clive From PIT

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    Not sure I’d even call it a mistake. Bortles’ 360 was pretty elusive, and Hargraves has s lit a lot of mass to redirect.
     
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  21. thesteeldeal

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    Agreed and contrary to popular belief ,which I am guilty of myself the other team is sometimes allowed to make nice plays too.
     
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  22. Formerscribe

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    It was a nice play by Bortles, but it's also one that only works if a defender charges at the opposing player rather than breaking down and making a solid tackle.

    Again, it's not a major criticism. I was pointing out a small imperfection in what was an outstanding performance by Hargrave.
     
  23. NY STEELERFAN

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    It is when a guy has maybe the best game he has ever played (imo) and you point out his one mistake. Come on man players don't make 100% of their plays. I think that was pretty clear on the Conner drop or the many bad passes by Ben. Football is a little harder when you are playing it then sitting on the couch saying oh he should of had that. :facepalm:
     
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  24. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry if my honest and fair evaluation bothers you.
     
  25. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    I kinda understand your point ,but a huge mistake ? Using that criteria every play that someone makes or doesn't make on either side of the ball could be attributed to bad fundamentals or technique.
     

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