Forgetting Mike

we should unretire Hines Ward bring him in and coach up AB,Sanders and the rest of our young receivers,
then we will be forgetting about MW,, we need team players not selfish and greedy ones. He had his chance and he let it slip thru his hands. GO STEELERS

 

*SMH* Hines has worked with them in the past and now Cotchery takes over that role. And you mention Hines...yet he himself held out before (while he may regret it now...he still did it). What a waste of a 1st post, haha.

 

We can't be comparing cotchery to HINES plain and simple,, when HINES was offered the contract he signed and moved on unlike Wallace who was offered one and thought it wasn't enough. We all know what HINES did for the STEELERS and fans. What has cotchery done YET?? as to my 1st post it wasn't a waste cus you replied Hahahaha
In for the fun (Good Day)!!!!

 

Thank you Tomlin_era!!!!!

 

Just because a player is good, doesn't mean he would be a great coach.

 

True - but Hines does seem to have the qualities of a good coach.

 

But sometimes they are, like Lake.[/quote:enuyafqx]

Era, keep this frame of mind up, you're 100% on the right side of this argument...

 

But sometimes they are, like Lake.[/quote:2prpw1wq]

Normally they are guys who had to play more than one position (Lake). Hines would probably be a good receivers coach.

Woodson probably wouldn't be as good a secondary coach as Lake is. Just as you don't see Jerry Rice out there coaching up some guys.

 

Normally they are guys who had to play more than one position (Lake). Hines would probably be a good receivers coach.

Woodson probably wouldn't be as good a secondary coach as Lake is. Just as you don't see Jerry Rice out there coaching up some guys.[/quote:30ldfe47]
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Woodson was a Hall of Fame CB and a legitimate Pro Bowl safety.

 

As far as Woodson is concerned he was a coach with the Oakland Raiders last year. I don't know if they retained him or not, but I do believe he was a coach.

as far is this post is concerned, I agree with him. First of all, Cotchery, what has he done? Yes hines has worked with the young guys since they were drafted. He made sure they would get better and left the organization in pretty good shape when he left. Also, Hines was so dedicated to the Steelers that I always felt that he would be a coach with the Steelers when he retired, bleed Black & Gold!

So, bringing him back as an assistant coach to the receivers coach would be a great idea. The Steelers brought Joe Green back as a coach and then moved him into the front office. A life long Steeler. Hines falls into the same pattern as Joe Green, he bleeds
Black & Gold! So yes the poster of this post has a great idea!

 

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Woodson was a Hall of Fame CB and a legitimate Pro Bowl safety.[/quote:3fyjpm21]

Yes, but Lake was always the harder worker when he was there. Woodson was a natural, naturals usually don't know how to coach what they brought to the table. I'm not saying as a player he was bad. Sheesh calm down.

Ward is the classic overachiever, he played multiple positions in college, had to fight for a roster spot and mentored young recievers his whole time on the team.

Also, from Wiki: The Raiders hired Woodson as their cornerbacks coach on February 14, 2011. He was not retained following the season.

Lake got his shot and showed imediate improvement in the DB's and some game planing input on the defense.

 

I see your point, I'm not saying Woodson was not a beast. I'm saying is Lake transitions better into the coaching arena. Rod could switch back and forth because he was just naturally gifted. Lake wasn't as much of a freak talent and hed to really work the different techniques. It's the difference in being fundementaly sound and just plain gifted.

 

Yes, but Lake was always the harder worker when he was there. Woodson was a natural, naturals usually don't know how to coach what they brought to the table. I'm not saying as a player he was bad. Sheesh calm down.

Ward is the classic overachiever, he played multiple positions in college, had to fight for a roster spot and mentored young recievers his whole time on the team.

Also, from Wiki: The Raiders hired Woodson as their cornerbacks coach on February 14, 2011. He was not retained following the season.

Lake got his shot and showed imediate improvement in the DB's and some game planing input on the defense.[/quote:1hn57gdp]
I'm not really disagreeing with you on your main point about Lake being a better coach. It's hard to say for sure since both have only had one year, but regardless of what happened with Woodson, Lake's rookie season as a coach was about as fantastic as it can get. It not only appeared to the layman that all of our DBs got better, including significant improvements from guys in their 3rd and 5th years in the league and a surprising performance by a rookie, it's also what we've been hearing from inside the team. So although it's early and it could have been a fluke, I think Lake deserves maximum available praise for a first year position coach. Some people around here already have him in competition with Butler to be our next DC. I don't think that's possible because I think Butler's been promised the job, but I think it's likely Lake gets a DC job somewhere around the league sooner rather than later. Hopefully not in our division.

So when you look at their coaching histories, it's a slam dunk argument. I just don't see how you could say that based on their playing histories. Both were extremely athletic, extremely intelligent players who excelled at both CB and safety. Both were hard workers and leaders. So while I agree with you on your main point, I found it extremely pecuilar that Woodson was the guy you chose to compare with Lake, based on the fact that Lake was smart, hard working, and excellent at two positions, because Rod was also all those things. That'd be like saying Jerome Bettis was better than Mike Alstott because he was so tough to tackle. Yeah, Jerome was better, but is Mike Alstott really the guy to choose when proving Jerome was the best at breaking tackles? When I could have chosen anyone, including guys that were much easier to tackle?

Again, Rod was an athletic freak, but Lake was absolutely an athletic freak too. In fact, I'd say Lake was one of the most marvelous athletes in NFL history. He had the speed, quickness, and skills to be an elite NFL cornerback, and the size, intelligence, and power to be an elite NFL safety. Not bad for a college linebacker!

There are tons of things that go into being a great coach. Jerry Rice wasn't a college QB like Ward, but I'd say he knows the NFL WR position as well as anybody. He was definitely a better receiver than Ward, and although he wasn't the greatest blocking WR in NFL history like Ward, he was still a great and willing blocker himself. I even saw him throw a long TD pass or two, and he was a great runner with the ball in his hands. And he wasn't just an athletic freak or hard worker, he was as smart as anyone. But I still doubt he'd get past round 1 of a job interview with me, because he doesn't know how to form a sentence.

I think you can make an educated guess about which players would make good coaches based on their field time, but that's really all it is. I was thrilled to get Lake as a coach based on everything we both said, but I still didn't know if he'd be any good until after his first year. It would have been hard to think much different about Woodson since he had basically every quality you could want as a player, had we hired him instead. The only real difference there is that I'd already seen him a bunch on NFL network, and although he's well-spoken, I don't really like him.