Roster Exemption

I’ve read the CBA, and I can’t figure out whether it’d be the 3rd designation or a re-designation of the 2nd (if he doesn’t sign, misses 2018, and we fran-tag him again). I think it’d be our second tag (again).

If it counts as a third franchise tag, the tender is the greater of A, B or C. A is the $$$ for the position with the highest franchise tag value (QB)—so, $25mm-ish.

A transition tag is much cheaper.

 

If a player pulls what Bell is doing he is one, a cancer to the team and is not worth the trouble to designate another franchise tag to! He’s been a huge distraction to the team and luckily we have Conner to take his place.Bell is in uncharted territory and is taking many risks which may hurt him in the long run or may not.Most players wouldn’t give up the money he is giving up hoping that he recoups it in free agency next year.I don’t think it shows strength from an organization if a player is that much of a pain in the butt.We have other holes to fill and don’t need a cancer hanging over the team again next year!

 

You want to tie up ~10% of next year's cap space to hold a grudge? Let Bell walk and use that money elsewhere.

 

This right here is exactly how any player should be treated. In his rap song the lyrics indicate he knows stuff that he does not talk about lol.. Maybe this is more extortion then anything haha

 

No kidding. I can't believe the nonsense I'm reading. Bell is effectively no longer part of this team. He's already gone. Let it be official after this season and use that money on a player that will help us win a SB. You don't spend almost $25 million on a RB just to sit him.

You do not let egos or emotions effect business deals, unless you want to lose money.

 

It's not going to be almost $25 million and they wouldn't sit him. Some of you really need to stop allowing hate to cloud your minds so much that you stop thinking.

 

They need to find a way to put a transition tag on him. Somebody will take him and we'll get good ROI as a result.

 

The last thing we need to worry about it sending a message. This isn't something that happens regularly in the NFL. The last time I can remember this happening was with Vincent Jackson almost 10 years ago. Perhaps there's been other players who have done this since, but definitely not star players. NFL players are typically not good at managing money and they are short sighted. They aren't going to sit out a year and lose out on over $10 million. Most of them would be broke before that year is up. It's just not an issue that requires any kind of planning to prevent it from happening again.

But if he gets tagged a 3rd time, that could potentially be what he is owed. He will first have to report this year and then the Steelers would argue that his salary this year was for the games he showed up for and not the entire season. Bell would grieve that. Who knows what the outcome would be, but if the Steelers lost the grievance, they would be on the hook for over $25 million. That kind of salary would also destroy any chance of any other team trading for him. Besides, he probably just wouldn't report again and then we'd have to deal with the drama all over again.

I'm guessing you're not a gambler Blast. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses and walk away. Both the Steelers and Bell played crappy hands and neither has come out ahead. We need to cut our losses and walk away and maybe we'll end up with a 3rd as a result. We're not going to profit by trading him at this point, not now and not next year.

Lets move on and focus on players who can help us win. Bell will never help us win nor will we profit off him in any way

 

He won't sign it and then we're going through this all over again. If we move on we could potentially get a 3rd round comp pick. That's going to have to be good enough. It's the best were going to get.

For those who want revenge, just know that Bell has lost tens of millions and will never recoup that money. My guess is he never gets a deal as good as the Steelers offered. Combine that with the tag money he gave away this year and he made a very bad bet. That should help you sleep better at night

 

Bell can't afford to sit out another entire season.

Again, it's not going to be $25 million unless he reports for part of this season. In that case, no, they won't franchise him again. But if he doesn't sign at all this season, the Steelers can tag him again at the same number as this year, significantly less.

 

He needs to just disappear ala Ricky Williams ,go find himself ,grow up and maybe ,just maybe in a couple years reemerge as a rap star or a decent back up for some one

 

Can Bell play if they use the roster exemption?

 

Seems like there is always a lot of gray area when it comes to these things. But I am pretty sure he can not play while on the roster exemption. He can practice, work out, and attend meetings with the team. But he can't play in the games.

 

The transition tag is a big gamble though. If Bell grieves it and wins, his pay will go through the roof. This is a grey area, it's far from black and white. I don't see any possibility of us getting anything for him other than a comp pick, which is all we would have got anyway if he had reported this year and then left as a free agent at the end of the season. If we tag him and he wins his appeal, he becomes untradeable and his salary will kill us.

 

Bell is gone next year one way or another. The reason you tag him next year (no matter if he shows this year or not) is a crack at working out some trade deal. Yes, Bell has to ultimately agree to it and sign the offer to make the trade happen, but during the offseason you can negotiate with the player and interested teams. In a way, the Steelers kinda become Bell's "agent" so they can maximize what they get when he goes. I know, its a bit like controlling the crash but you take what you can get. If no trade can be worked out, you simply rescind the tag before the deadline and let him walk. We shoudl still get something in the form of comp pick.

That said, I believe the team will just let him walk next year rather than try to work a trade out.

 

Everything i've heard is he looses the year if he's not signed by week 10 it's a 2nd designation again.

I think i heard the transition tag does not yield the compensatory pick.

What i've still not heard a clear answer for is, if we don't tag him next year and he does NOT sign with another team, do we still get compensatory consideration for for loosing him?

 

Grieve means to suffer grief or to cause it. I assume you meant he could file a grievance, but he has no grounds and the Steelers wouldn't be stuck paying him. The rules are clear. He will either sign soon enough to accrue the year toward free agency or he will not. There is no grievance to file. The team did what it had to do. It made the franchise offer. He is the one choosing not to sign it.

I'm sorry, but you really don't understand how this system works.

 

The plain language talks of “designating”, which occurs prior to, and independently of, acceptance of the tag tender. Using that interpretation, he’s been designated twice already.

Correct.

I believe not. It’d be the same as a retirement.

 

You don't understand what you're reading. I've never understood why people have to be so ****ing ignorant on the internet when they feel someone else is wrong instead of considering that maybe there is a misunderstanding.

The grievance I'm talking about is if he signs the tag by week 11 this year and then gets tagged again next year. The grievance will be in relation to how much he gets paid next year.

ps. The word "grieve" is a very commonly used term to describe the act of filing a grievance. But what would I know, I'm only a grievance officer in my union

 

If (because we don’t know) next year would be his third franchise tag, he’d get a tender at the highest position’s value (QB). That’s gonna be $22-25mm.

If he’s transition-tagged, he’d get the cap-hit-equivalent of the average of the top 5 RBs. So maybe $10-11mm?

What would be the basis of the grievance?

 

That we are not paying him his worth as a triple threat: RB/WR/RapStar

 

Let's say he reports this year by week 11 . If we tag him again next year, he gets paid a certain percentage over this year's salary . The Steelers would likelylikely that his salary is only the weeks he played this year, but Bell would argue his salary was the entire amount of the tag. If he wins the grievance, his salary would be very high under the tag because it would be based on this year's tag amount and not just the weeks he showed up.