Redman underpaid

Red will be the starter this season and IMO will win the starting Job out right....I also believe he will rush for over 1300 yards and over 10 TD'S....If and when this happens what kind of a deal do you guys believe he will get?

When this happens I think he deserves around 3 Mil a year IMO......A 4.4 YPC is not to shabby and a 80 % conversion rate on short yardage is outstanding...Most sites that rank this type of info have him in the TOP 3 in the NFL in conversion rate and yards after contact...2 huge stats from where I sit...

On a side note he is the perfect fit for a Gap PA system and so is our OL,QB, and most the WR corp....I think some people still believe that Redman is not good enough,well in a Gap system he is a perfect fit,and if him and Decastro fit together the way the tape shows they will Redman could easily put up 1600 yards plus and over 15 TD'S....Redman is a get in the whole make 1 cut runner and he is a better runner when running left add that To Decastro pulling left and Redman is the smart money for Top RB of the year....I am looking for some Vegas odds if you guys see that?I would Love to get some 30 to 1 type stuff.....I might put 5 k on it...

Anyway Happy 4th. and I just had to have some pro Red talk.....Guys from the old board know how I do....

 

IF he becomes are regular starter and can give us 1300 yards and double digit TDs, he will be underpaid at $3 mil a year by the current market

 

I would like to be paid every time this gets mentioned in your posts

 

Whoa now, let's not put the cart before the horse. One great season doesn't mean anyone is underpaid. Also, it took an injury for him to become the starter. I'm not saying he can't I'm just saying...

 

I was waiting for another PWP Redman thread...its been a while...SMH.

 

i believe the one game he started in the playoffs he had 3 fumbles did he not just saying

 

I will continue to state he is perfect for the Gap system unless he proves me wrong...Decastro is perfect for the sytem as well,would you like to get paid for that as well?

And still no one answered what they thought a fair price would be? Its een awhile since I have had a Redman thread and after the flack I took on the old board I have every right to startas many as I want IMO....

I thought it was a valid Question..And IMO Redman would have won the starter job this year anyway because of the new scheme...We will see how that plays out when Mendenhall gets back....I don't think Mendenhall or Wallace are good fits for the Gap system,so instead of rag those guys I go Pro Redman and others that appear to be good fits....

What are you guys going to think he is worth after a great season,because his contract will be up?Or do you guys just want to let him go or what''?

 

Just messing with you, PWP.

I don't have an answer - the problem being that if we're basing speculation on 'potential performance', there is so much 'potential' on the offense this year there are so many scenarios to consider. There's also the problem of who he's up against when it comes to contract negotiation. It's probably not the best idea to go in hard ball for a big contract when you have several (again, potentially) decent RBs waiting to take your place, a former first round pick as competition (if healthy), not to mention the WRs and other positions who also want paying.

Will he be the bona fide starter after next season? Not sure. Would I keep him? Yes - but I'd like him to be used more as a rotation player with the other talent we have at th eposition. Would Redman be happy with that role? Hopefully - though if he has a mega season, he might be a bit more demanding.

Slightly off-topic, but I think that this season is going to be really interesting in terms of all your years of prediction, PWP. Finally getting to see Redman start, means we can have more of a legitimate comparison between him and Mendenhall stat-wise.

 

>>>>>>>>" I also believe he will rush for over 1300 yards "<<<<<<<<<<<<

What? We are talking Redman here right?

LOL

 

I'm a fan of Redman and obviously I hope he succeeds but there's a little too much speculation going on in this thread, lol

First of all I have my issues with Mendenhall. I'm also thinking that Bruce Arians was at the heart of most of those issues. And I was one of those that wanted to see Redman moved up from the PS earlier than he did. But I just don't see Redman winning the confidence of the coaching staff enough to warrant him beating out Mendy if he was healthy. I like how hard Red runs and how he hits the hole, but in all honesty, at this point in their carriers, imo Mendy has much more potential, and frankly more ability than Redman as a whole. But if Mendy doesn't 'blow-up' under Haley's offense then my thought is he's not our guy and time to move on.

I'd at least like to see Redman during training camp before I start speculating about his worth and how many yards/TD's he's going to have. With the new talent we've built up on offense the skies the limit when it comes to "potential"

 

I love Redman, but I think that is pretty delusional... Had Mendenhall been healthy, I don't think there would have even been a competition. You always seem to take it just one step too far in my opinion.

I know far too little about the money side of football to make a guess, but of course I want to keep him, even if he doesn't perform like you're expecting. I doubt anyone wants to let him go. Even if he stinks as a full time back (which I don't think he will) he's already proven himself valuable as a part-time back. Just like Mendenhall, I would hate to see him go but I'm not looking to break the bank, so I hope we can get a fair deal.

You did take flack about Redman on the old board, and we all have every right to make as many threads as we want about whoever we want. But I hope you're not doing them just for the sake of doing them, like a "Hey, there's no threads about my favorite player on the front page! I gotta start one now!" Keep in mind, although not everyone agreed with you about how good Redman would be back in 2009 (your talk was actually so big that he still hasn't and never will, since as I recall you compared his power/speed combination to Jim Brown's), almost all of the flack you took came from one guy, TSS, who isn't even here. Also, these debates happened 3 years ago, and you were proven right 2 years ago. I'm not saying you should change your opinion on the guy or stop writing about him, but you did bring this up and it does seem like you're still carrying an "I told you so" attitude. It's been a long time for that. It could become offputting at some point.

 

Mendenhall if he's on the field, Mendenhall + Wallace if he's not

Although I think it's going to be tough for the offense to live up to the crazy expectations some people have (it is a first year offense and could take time, regardless of how good it is), frankly I'd be shocked if by the end of the season it was actually worse than what we had last year.

 

i think there will be some growing pains, but thats to be expected. it's not only a new offense to everyone, but alot of newer faces on the field. i would expect the run game to be above the passing game for several weeks. redman is a good back, but so are the rest. mendy was the best of the bunch but alot depends on his money makers being healthy and back as they were. big if. we have tons of potential all the way down the line as far as RB's. any of them can go the distance, but red and clay seem like the least likely to bust off bigger ones consistantly. alot depends on wr blocking downfield. hines is gone and don't think that won't make a difference to all these backs.

all in all, we can punish you with the run or break your back. nice bunch of guys to have. overall though the O will go as ben goes. that's why we have him.

 

As one who often was dishing out the PWP flack on the old board....you have to admit....most of it was deserved.....Redman was not ready to contribute that year.....The fact that he has turned into a player...many on the old board myself included said he has all the tools....he might turn into something.....You were just taking it that extra mile because he was your boy.


I will gladly pat you on the back for seeing what Redman might be....but the but kicking you were getting back then was not completely unjust.


As for his contract.....I'm not sure I even go $3 mill a year....just because RB's are a dime a dozen.....they are being devalued across the league....and as long as Ben is at QB they are going to be passing early and often.....

Mendenhall (1st) Redman (UDFA) Rainey (5th) Batch (7) Dwyer (6) Clay (UDFA)

one first and a bunch of leftovers...and if our OLINE is what we hope it is...anyone of them will be able to run behind it.


HACK

 

How did Redman hack into PWP's account?(the same person?)

 

If the off-season is anything to go by, this should be pretty accurate...

I also predict Mike Adams will also be in for some stick when he makes standard rookie mistakes, but I tihnk I made that prediction when he was drafted as well.

Oh, and David Johnson. Though I'll most likely be part of that...

 

+aeA lot of good positions from multiple posters...Where do I start? At the beggining I guess....++++

I have always stated that Redman was a better fit for Steeler Football...I have always stated that Ben is at his best when he works off of play action....I have always stated the best way to get WR'S open is to use Blocking/Route trees..I have always thought of Mendenhall as a open field runner.......I have always thought of Wallace as a poor all around WR...Now t the Glue that binds -this all together..

A ignorant OC who Loved Mendenhall...A OC who Loved the bocken play which was Anti-Ben from his true strength.....A OC who ran a Zone scheme and tried to block it Semi-Gap stle in a effort to throw the long ball to Wallace.....His bubble screen was his scape Goat,,he used it to justify to his bosses that this is the extension of our running game...In the mean time not really playing to Mendenhall's strengths or Ben's true strength.....

Redman is the best fit for us and the style and scheme are why....Had BA been fired Red's Rookie year he would already be a House Hold name.....Ben would already be elite....Wallace woudld be gone already or he would have already developed into a complete WR....

Don't get it twisted it's not turn and bash BA thread,,,,,,,,,,,,it is a what was wrong,why certain guys got the PT, and why certain guys are not as good as -they should be at this time.....Brown,Redman,Miller, and Cothery have put in the work and waited their turns,now we have a new approach and new skill OL to go with it.....

In Football all things are relative....So now try and relate to this post.................

 

If Redman gets 1300 yards he'll probably lead the league in carries, which never bodes well for a RB's future. Nothing against Redman but he's a bruiser, so to get that many yards will mean a lot of wear and tear on his body.

 

A fair and valid point,,,,,whih leads me right back to the Gap system and why Redamn is the perfect fit..The Gap system for the most part blocks the OL and the LB'S it requires CB'S and Safeties to make tackles on a regular basis....So Redman will only need 230 touches or so to break the 1300 mark and his body will be fine with that if the system is ran correctly....

Show me a list of Coverage guys that we play that you think can best Redzone in a hamurger drill...........Make no mistake that is the type of Gap system that Haley is putting in......From where I sit that makes Redman the punisher not the one getting punished.....Reman put the ball on the carpet 3 times in a playoff game and the reason why is because guys where just hanging on and waiting for help......This did cause Red to fumble ,but he knows why as well as the staff....Simple stuff Coverage guys need not apply......He was the 1 beaing them down....

Red has beat down every Defensive backfied he has faced,and he understands the Importance of not gibing up ball security for a few extra yards now....So your perspecive is slghtly skewed,,,,as Red will be the healthy guy and the Teams we face will ne the guys witj huting coverage guys....

Again the beauty of the Gap/PA system,punish the coverage guys and force the punish guys to cover.....

 

Redman may take more multiple hits if CB's and safeties need to make tackles. I don't believe there's ever been a RB in the history of the NFL that averaged 5.6 ypc on 230 attempts.

The days of the punishing RB's are pretty much over. It doesn't pay to be a RB let a lone a punishing RB in today's NFL. The defenders are simply to big, strong, and fast for RB's to hold up. There's a reason why RB's have the shortest careers of any NFL player. They system isn't going to save Redman from the pounding he will take from defensive players.

 

WHy do you assume Redman is only going to be one on one with defensive backs?

 

If DB's are making tackles, it's more likely they will attempt to hold Redman up. In which case, defenders from behind will attempt to strip the ball or Redman will take multiple hits because he was fighting for extra yards.

 

if he is at the clip pwp states, someone is holding. alot.