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From Ed Bouchette... http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/inde ... um=twitter

--- Who said this about the new Steelers offense:

“It’s been work. Any time you do something for going on almost eight years and you have to change the way you think about things, that’s not easy. But we’re out here working, we’re studying and trying to change our mindset a little bit.’’

Ben Roethlisberger? No, but if the quarterback had said that about Haley’s offense, what would you think? Probably, that he was complaining.

Heath Miller told me that last week and I can guarantee you he was not complaining (Miller complains about nothing). He was merely stating a fact. However, when Roethlisberger has basically stated the same fact, he’s been ripped in some corners for it.

--- Haley has put the players through two cycles of his offense in the first two weeks of spring practices.
“This is the second time we’ve been through everything,’’ Miller said last week. “We’ll go through it a couple more times and should be rolling again . . . It’s still football, it still comes down to execution, but it’s changed maybe the way you approach certain responsibilities.”

 

Good post :thumbsup:

 

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I hear ya!!! What an outrage!!! Both he and Ben need cut immediately, they're both such locker room cancers. Why does Heath hate Haley?!?!?

 

Really?

However, when Roethlisberger has basically stated the same fact, he’s been ripped in some corners for it.

You don't see the difference in what Heath said and what Ben is saying?

What Miller said is not the same. He's not saying "The fans will get what they want.", "We'll give it a try.", "I don't know how that's a bad thing." (in reference to him and the old offense)

That's the kind of stuff that Ben "should" be saying, not slipping in digs at the end. He's been in the league for way to long as the face of a franchise to not know that his words are going to be analyzed to the "Nth" degree.

On the other hand, he's been know to play it up just to get an advantage on the field. I wouldn't put it past them to use the Ben doesn't have a full grasp of the offense so we cut a bunch of stuff out angle. Or he could be setting himself up for a "Hero" moment. Ben makes a spectacular throw after scrambling for 30 yards behind the LOS and his post game quote is "I don't know things kind of broke down there and (I forgot or the WR's forgot) what the play call was, so I just scrambled around and saw him streaking.....

Should be an interesting season either way. 9 AM football on the day after the game. Sheesh!

 

This is pretty clear to me. Yes, people are over-piling on Ben. However, he's a big reason for that and not off the hook in my book, even if he did say the exact same thing as Heath.

The difference is clear between them. There are millions of people paying close attention to Ben and his reaction to Haley and the new offense, for good reason. Ben's part of the reason Arians stayed as long as he did, and he's one of the chief beneficiaries statistically. He's also the chief beneficiary in terms of career happiness; he got to play however he wanted under BA. He made public stinks about the change. He did do some backtracking and say it was mostly because Bruce was such a great friend, but it was clear he only wanted to run the offense his way, and was not looking forward to having to change. Of course it's a challenge for any QB to change OCs, but he's not Alex Smith or Kordell Stewart. This is only the second change of his 9 year career. And if he was a little more open minded and not so focused on himself (anyone think he wasn't also thrilled to go 5 WR on 3rd and 1?), he'd see all the horrible things BA was doing and all the ways Haley can help.

Heath has never complained about anything. He's a smart guy. He didn't even complain despite the fact that he was arguably someone who suffered the most under BA (well, besides Mendenhall). He has no history of having a point of view on this stuff. He said some facts, and they were true, so they are left at that.

Ben says those same facts and people see all the backstory along with them. And for good reason. If Heath says the first day is frustrating, you understand why. When Ben says the first day is frustrating, you wonder why. Is it because it's the first day? Or because you hate that you have to change and do what this Haley guy says? If Ben didn't put so many dots on the map over the years, it wouldn't be so tempting and easy to connect them.

 

this X 1000. well put.

 

i think heath runs from reporters. he seems like a guy that doesn't have time for the of sports reporters. he's got better things to do. he knows he just left everything he's got on the field win or lose and he doesn't need to have it talked about. life goes on.

 

Yeah, Heath's quote does vidicate Ben's point of view. And I thought the same thing back when Ben first said it. I thought, "Well no sh-- it was frustrating, it's a new offense on day 1." But I also thought, "Jesus, Ben. Why did you have to say it like that?" There are surely other feelings he has about it. I bet it's also exciting and fun. Ever hear of sandwich feedback? Positive-negative-positive. Someone asks you how the first day was and you say, "Boy it was really fun. It's exciting to get out here and finally run the plays we've been looking at. Of course it's only the first day so it can be a little frustrating since we don't have all the details down yet, but we'll get better every rep and I'm sure things will be running smoothly very soon." It's not hard, it just takes an ounce of effort. Ben's not giving it, either because he doesn't give a crap (in which case he shouldn't complain about fan/media backlash) or because he likes messing with us. Either way, a big hunk of the blame is on him.

 

That's not true at all! Heath did not take a jab at the fans (us). Heath did not question why the offense needed to change or why when he was comfortable they decided it needed to change. All Heath said was "It's hard to change after 8 years." Ben did not say that. It's not "basically" the same thing.

I can say "This **** sucks!" or I can say "This job I'm doing right now is hard, but I'm trying my best to get it done!" That's basically the same thing right?

What do you think my employer would enjoy seeing come out my mouth. We all deal with it everyday. It's called tact, which we all know he's lacking a little in that department.

You know damn well that if you went in everyday and said "I don't know why my employer thought that me being familiar with the old system was bad." or "Well, we'll be making more of such and such because that's what the customer wants..." seriously?

He's mad because he's being put into a system, we've seen it over and over. He's hurt they go to a more systematic style and clicks, next game he wants to show he's a gunslinger again and the offense struggles and spurts.

I love what the guy can do on the field, I love what he can do with a broken play! I also know there's a finite window of opportunity with him and it diminishes everytime he gets destroyed holding onto the ball too much.

 

Damn, you said it the way I meant for it to be said.

 

Except, I wasn't exaggerating and you are. ....Again.

 

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Come on Lizard, Ben has said what Heath has said before, look past Bens most recent comments, the one where he "supposedly" took a shot at the fans. This is just proof of what TTF said above, fans hear what they want to hear. Even Bouchette who has alot more access to these guys then we do agrees with it. But whatever, the 2 camps on this board that weigh in on this subject are never going to change their opinions.[/quote]


See, if he had just said, looks like we may run a little more than in years past, I can live with that. The added "So the fans will be happy" just is not nessesary.

Like I said, I love what he does wwhen he works his "magic". His problem is he thinks it can be done on every play and it shows in some of his post-games.

It's just getting real old. Hell, I defended him with the rape allegations!

The only reason the ownership doesn't care to much in the NFL is the solid fan base that even though they may not like one guy, they are still not giving up season tickets and if they do there's a line a mile long just waiting to snap them up!

 

Why is it not okay to hate Ben on this site? Honestly, if Ben was a regular guy dating your daughter, you would want him dead, but because he's the QB of your favourite football team he gets a bye? I despise Ben, but I hope he has success on the field of course. It seems like some of you find it unacceptable that some of us on this site don't like Ben.

 

I think some are looking at this two different ways though. Are we complaining about the way Ben answers questions or are we complaining that Ben doesn't like the new offense and OC? I see both arguments here.

Sure one could argue that Ben should give reporters the generic "I just go out and give 110% every game and every practice" answer. It's the PC thing to do. But instead he gives maybe a little more detail than some would like.

But the problem seems to be peoples perception of his statements and the way he gives them. Sure he's not the perfect interviewer and he sometimes may say more than we like to hear, but that doesn't mean he's hating on the offense or the OC as some seem to insist he's doing. All i care about is that Ben stays out of trouble off the field and performs up to par (or better than ) on the field. I don't need my QB to be PC and say all the rose colored things some seem to want him to say. As long as he's not a problem in the locker room or talking T.O. type hype then i'm fine.